Stem-Cells, degenerate Gay Lesbo rights, Abortion, Janet Jackson's boob..what's the problem ??

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TETHYS

Saturday, January 15, 2005 8:15 PM

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Originally posted by JaynezTown:

Big, long epistle

Ok, I want you to bear in mind that I am a very intelligent, sensible individual. I also, unlike most "so-called" christians, have actually read the Bible cover-to-cover (lot of time in the army), as well as the Quran, and yes for those thaty don't get it, the Torah, since it's part of the Bible (LOL :P).

I have studied (extensively) Eastern and Western Philosophy and religions. Also, governmental policies, precedents, etc etc.

So, on to my personal opinion that is firmylo ground in that background, as well as stone-cold-in-your-face-don't-give-a-shit-what-your-stupid-inbred-ass-has-to-say LOGIC.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think stem cell research can possibly help mankind more than harm. Genetic engineering on the other hand......(Such as recombinant DNA for those that want to find loopholes in my logic, or human cloning.

As for Janet Jackson, I could care less. Granted, children saw that, but then again, it didn't show anything. It's nothing mroe than can be found in typical primetime television, or hell....even the cheerleaders in the background.
But then again, that's what happens when your country is founded by a bunch of religous fanatics.

And gay marriage. This is the funniest crap I have ever heard "Faggots can't marry" Let me ask you inbreds out there a question. Would you want to marry a gay man (ladies) or a lesbian (men). The answer would of course be no, so why worry about it? Or is the fact that someone out there gets a little happiness a little hard for you schmucks to swallow? And as a matter of fact, the Bible says nothing about gay marriage, simply about sadomizitation, which is having sex with young boys. The BIBLE makes a bigger crime to not love than to love a member of the same sex.

Thus, my epistle is done.

"Your mouth is talking. Might wanna see to that"

NEUTRINOLAD

Sunday, January 16, 2005 1:47 AM

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Originally posted by tethys:
...sadomizitation, which is having sex with young boys.

I think you mean "sodomize".
And no I don't. I think you mean "pedophilia".
Oh, and the Bible also says nothing of marrying a yak. You ought not pretend you don't understand the actual definition of marriage just to press an argument.

TETHYS

Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:19 AM

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Originally posted by NeutrinoLad:
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Originally posted by tethys:
...sadomizitation, which is having sex with young boys.

I think you mean "sodomize".
And no I don't. I think you mean "pedophilia".
Oh, and the Bible also says nothing of marrying a yak. You ought not pretend you don't understand the actual definition of marriage just to press an argument.

sodomize = to perform sodomy
sodomization = the action(s) of sodomy, to perform sodomy i.e. realization = the act of realizing something

Sodomy also refers to any, or all, twisted sex acts, such as sex with boys (pedophilia is sex with children, idiot, boy sex is specifically reffered to as sodomy, sex with animals, including your yaks, shoving a turkey baster up your wazoo, etc etc)

and btw, in trying to disprove my eloquent point about marriage, you just so happened to back it up with your reference to "marrying a yak", though the Bible DOES refer to "sexual congress with animals". SO BITE ME.

I define marriage as any other does, *ahem*

"THE JOINING OF TWO PEOPLE OF ANY RACE, CREED, RELIGION, OR BACKGROUND (insert sex), COMING TOGETHER TO PLEDGE THEIR LIVES AND LOVE TO EACH OTHER , AND TO REMAIN FAITHFUL TO THEIR MATE FOR THE REST OF SAID LIVES."

If you don't define marriage that way, then I truly feel sorry for your spouse, nor should you marry if you are not.

"Your mouth is talking. Might wanna see to that"

NEUTRINOLAD

Sunday, January 16, 2005 4:17 AM

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Originally posted by tethys:

sodomize = to perform sodomy
sodomization = the action(s) of sodomy, to perform sodomy i.e. realization = the act of realizing something

Sodomy also refers to any, or all, twisted sex acts, such as sex with boys (pedophilia is sex with children, idiot, boy sex is specifically reffered to as sodomy, sex with animals, including your yaks, shoving a turkey baster up your wazoo, etc etc)

and btw, in trying to disprove my eloquent point about marriage, you just so happened to back it up with your reference to "marrying a yak", though the Bible DOES refer to "sexual congress with animals". SO BITE ME.

I define marriage as any other does, *ahem*

"THE JOINING OF TWO PEOPLE OF ANY RACE, CREED, RELIGION, OR BACKGROUND (insert sex), COMING TOGETHER TO PLEDGE THEIR LIVES AND LOVE TO EACH OTHER , AND TO REMAIN FAITHFUL TO THEIR MATE FOR THE REST OF SAID LIVES."

If you don't define marriage that way, then I truly feel sorry for your spouse, nor should you marry if you are not.

Oh, dear. I do not want to believe an adult can be this ignorant, so I'll assume it's an adolescent trolling. I'm such an easy mark

TETHYS

Sunday, January 16, 2005 4:26 AM

LMMFAO!!!!!!

Who's the ignorant one here?

Almost 30 years old, veteran non-commisioned officer in the army, an IT major in college, AND OOPS a THEOLOGY Minor. Of course, college educated, and highly intelligient.

So, go insult someone else, and don't belittle this board with your narrow-mindedness.

oh, and btw my wife of four years seems to see nothing wrong with how I view marriage, which might explain why I have been married for twice the norm for the first (and only) marriage, by statistics (18 months).

"Your mouth is talking. Might wanna see to that"

REEQUEEN

Sunday, January 16, 2005 6:14 PM

The Thread That Just Won't Die

Good.

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Giving the benifit of the doubt and second chances is what makes up accepting and it gives our selves a chance to learn.

Learning is something I need. I need to learn, I need to observe things and make my own hyptheses, and I also need to be proven wrong, or merely mistaken, on occasion.

Of course, the last bit rarely happens. While that fact often makes me condescending, supercilious, and disdainful - parts of my personality which aren't so nice, but integral so I've adjusted - I'm also capable of realizing that having my mind, ideas, opinions, conjectures, or whatever, set in stone, is not only unattractive but counter-productive to any growth I strive for.

I need to grow and change. Mostly because I'm afraid of turning into my mother, but I digress.

I'd like all people to want to grow and change, but that just doesn't seem to be the case. Ossification seems to be comfortable for a lot of people, happy in their rigidity, and unable to view the world with new eyes every day.

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He told us that everybody has some swing with regards to what they believe. For some, what they are willing to accept, that isn't what they believe, given proof to the contrary, is greater than others. The part of someones belief that they won't change even given a mountain of proof is what the prof. called everyones "black box."

I will conjecture that we've stepped into Finn's black box. I really think, that no matter how many holes I/we put into his stats. How many times I/we logically, etc counter his arguments that there'll even be a chance at changing his mind.

The black box must be comfy, because a lot of people reside in their own. It makes me sad and tired to think about, really.

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Especially since he says such silly things like, "since there are as many (or possibly more) heterosexuals who practice anal sex as there are homosexual males doing so."

Wow. See, I'm to the point where I'm totally skipping Finn's posts. Repetitive, and yet uninteresting. So I didn't see that....wow.

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It's night time right now here, so, good night

I'm a bit of a time-zone chauvinist.

Right now it's Sunday morning, and I'm entering the Long, Dark, Teatime of the Soul. Just about to go see how many baths I can usefully take....

/Hitchhiker's Guide reference.

"You mean they have the internet on computers now?" Homer

SIGMANUNKI

Monday, January 17, 2005 4:40 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:

All you've said in this thread is that gays shouldn't marry because they are promiscusous. But you have not given any reason why.

Because I’ve never said this. I’ve never said anything like this. This is apparently a figment of your imagination. Until you are willing to set aside these ridiculous strawman arguments, it’s a waste of my time to continue giving you information that you won’t listen to.

We are in a thread talking about certain things. One of them being gay marriage. So, when you say and make certain statements they take on meaning in that context. You can't get around this, it's called speaking English.

A quick search through this thread shows that you said:
"Traditionalists don't like sexual promiscuity among heterosexuals anymore then they like it under homosexuals, particularly the ones who have teen-age daughters."

And I quote you:

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Originally posted by FINN MAC CUMHAL:

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:

So, you never said that gays are promiscuous? Wait a minute, you did.

Some gays are.

So, you have said that gays are promiscuous, or at least have used it in your agruments towards the end that you seek. This coupled with your "statistics" is quite telling.

If you don't want people to come to wrong conclusions then don't say such things or be clear! Because it is clear that you haven't been clear throughout this thread.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

There’s nothing stupid about it.

You remember our conversation about the biology of male-male sex and initial conditions, right?

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

But I supposed it you can’t do arithmetic you might find it hard to figure out.

LOL, you have no clue!

I never said that your math was wrong, I said your statistics were (and still are) wrong. There is a difference. This is something that you should look up.

Oh, and this would be another example of yourself being rude and insulting. Being a hypocrite again, eh?

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

I stand completely behind everything I’ve said in this thread. I think I've made my case well.

I've no doubt that you stand behind what you've said in this thread. You actually seem to believe it, which is rather sad.

But no, you haven't made your case well. Given the mass amounts of misunderstanding that you claim that is involved here, contradict this entirely. You really are self contradictory, and the sad thing is that you don't seem to realize it

Since this discussion has everything to do with gay marriage, and I've at least never strayed from that discussion, you'll have to inform me and others, how any of this (HIV, promiscuous behavour, etc) has anything to do with if gays are allowed to marry or not. Or if the HIV thing wasn't to produce the result that gays are promiscuous, please tell us what your point actually is, because it is rather elusive.

It'd also be good if you could go back and answer the landslide of questions that you've completely ignored along the way.

I'll quote myself from my last post and the one before that and the one before that and the one before that and before that and before that and before that... at least.

Now, since I've become dragged into some side note that I don't care to waste my time on, I'll return to ask a question that must be answered before I continue this current discussion (I've also asked it before).

How does this gays being promiscuous argument, have anything to do whether gays are allowed to marry or not? That is assuming that they are promiscuous, which is far from proven.

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"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

SIGMANUNKI

Monday, January 17, 2005 5:02 AM

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Originally posted by ReeQueen:

Learning is something I need. I need to learn, I need to observe things and make my own hyptheses, and I also need to be proven wrong, or merely mistaken, on occasion.

I'm pretty much the same.

Finn doesn't like to do this. He thinks that his stats are good but doesn't seem to realize that if you are trying to come to a real life conclusion then you numbers must reflect that reality.

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He included children < 13. First off the basic assumption here is that the population is sexually active. Otherwise how would they have the chance at having male-male sex right? So, basically Finn is saying that approximatly 4% of children < 13 are having gay male sex. Sounds rather wrong doesn't it?

He also doesn't include any stats for bisexuals and experimenters (spelling?). They will have an increased chance of getting HIV because of involvment with a community that has increased numbers of HIV+ people.

Finn doesn't seem to realize that people having male-male sex are not just going to be gay. The percentages that I've quoted from his cites proves that there is a significant percentage of bi/straight people have gay male sex. Yet it isn't reflected in his stats? = problem.

I point out things that are problems and he ignores them saying things like the numbers are normalized, etc. Fine, that may well be, I haven't done the calculations myself as I have a busy life right now. But that all this means is that by chance, the numbers at the end are the same (if he is doing things right, which is have doubts about given the "logic" he's shown here). This doesn't mean that the stats are correct for the above reasons and more.

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Originally posted by ReeQueen:

The black box must be comfy, because a lot of people reside in their own. It makes me sad and tired to think about, really.

To a certain extent we all have one. I for instance will never wish to go around killing people for no good reason. This is something that I won't change for anyone or anything (save effects from nerve gas, etc

). But aside from these things that I would think they are quite common "beliefs". I gather that I'm pretty open to new not killing indiscriminantly ideas, and I assume that you're the same way.

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Originally posted by ReeQueen:

Wow. See, I'm to the point where I'm totally skipping Finn's posts. Repetitive, and yet uninteresting. So I didn't see that....wow.

Fasinating isn't it?

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Originally posted by ReeQueen:

I'm a bit of a time-zone chauvinist. Right now it's Sunday morning, and I'm entering the Long, Dark, Teatime of the Soul. Just about to go see how many baths I can usefully take....

/Hitchhiker's Guide reference.

Which book is that from? Is it actually the first one? If so I don't remember that. I've just started the second.

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"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

SIGMANUNKI

Monday, January 17, 2005 5:06 AM

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Originally posted by tethys:

"THE JOINING OF TWO PEOPLE OF ANY RACE, CREED, RELIGION, OR BACKGROUND (insert sex), COMING TOGETHER TO PLEDGE THEIR LIVES AND LOVE TO EACH OTHER , AND TO REMAIN FAITHFUL TO THEIR MATE FOR THE REST OF SAID LIVES."

For what it's worth, I actually really like this definition

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Originally posted by tethys:

If you don't define marriage that way, then I truly feel sorry for your spouse, nor should you marry if you are not.

Agreed!!!

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"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

SIGMANUNKI

Monday, January 17, 2005 5:11 AM

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Originally posted by tethys:

oh, and btw my wife of four years seems to see nothing wrong with how I view marriage, which might explain why I have been married for twice the norm for the first (and only) marriage, by statistics (18 months).

"Your mouth is talking. Might wanna see to that"

Boo-Yah!!!

And your sig is rather appropriate right now, don't you think?

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"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

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