The Republic of Virtue and Technocracy
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UPDATED: Saturday, September 5, 2026 18:42
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bumperuski
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Quote:Never said you did, I was replying to Finn.
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Citizen,
Didn't say it was, said it could develop into socialist-style top-down command structure without a careful design.
Quote:The technical details, the how it happened, I'm pretty sure are agreed upon. Why it happened is open to debate, and could just as easily be due to the technitions being unaware of the reactors inabillity to run it's own safety systems due to design flaws.
You may be right on chernobyl, just recalling the story from when it happened. I'm pretty sure I'm right about the bureaucratic detail.
After all that was why the test was being run.
Food for thought though, you say that "government doesn't work, only private companies do" but your anti 'top down' organisations. What is more top down than a private company?
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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citizen
companies aren't totally top down. they have shareholders, workers, and hopefully some input system. I don't think the corporation is the ultimate evolution of the multi-human entity. I think it's pretty seriously flawed. But it's the best thing we have at the moment. Hopefully at some point we'll evolve. At the moment, on average, corporations are operating at about 10% efficiency in terms of the number of hours worked vs. the number of hours of work in the direction of the ultimate net progress that is achieved. Govt. operates at about 1%.
The 50% system is probably out there somewhere, but it hasn't been invented yet. I suspect that that system has a better cross-hierarchy communication. Google is clocking in a lot better than 10%, and they have a very strong multi-level communication. It's a very bottom up structure. Our govt. has become appallingly top-down, but it doesn't have to be this way. In theory, ideas could come from local town hall meetings and filter up through the system, which is more or less what the founding fathers intended. H. Ross Perot ran on the platform of establishing a system for doing this. But what we have now in America is a think-tank system, where a group of elite party controllers, accountable to no one, and self-appointed oligarchs, who determine the political positions and agenda of both parties, and then it is employed in a top down manner. Who we choose on an individual level currently is having very little impact.
Sadly, though I'd like to see someone like Chuck Hagel (R) or Russ Feingold (D) the election of them to office would not probably incur enough change to save America from its disasterous economic paradigm.
People here think that they are losing jobs to India and Korea because of wage difference, but it's not true. Americans are making nothing these days. I just hired someone for $8/hr, but the resulting productivity will never pay for itself. American labor, it strikes me, is probably worth about $2/hr, in terms of the productivity it's creating. If I hired an indian, it would cost me about the same amount, but the resulting productivity would be many times higher. They're better educated, better trained, and work harder. This is the sad truth.
I think that americans have been neglecting the flaws in this society for too long. Our education system was known to be appallingly bad 30 years ago, and it's just gotten worse, the drug problem is totally out of control, and the economy has so many imbeded leaches that it's almost impossible for anything to function.
Those of us on the right and those on the left may have different approaches on what the change needs to be, but quite frankly, some change would be good. I'd like to see it a less top-downy change. I suspect that this would be privatization. But if anyone has any other ideas, I'm certainly going to listen.
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Trump praised Nigerian president for decision to prohibit Twitter while expressing regret
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Facebook’s Massive Global Censorship To Silence Vaccine Skeptics
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Trump Says Facebook, Twitter Must Let Him Post Immediately
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Yes.
They must.
Democrats are on the wrong side of freedom and will be remembered for who they were in the history books.
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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."
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There was a very old idea the all seeing Machine a 'Noosphere' philosophical concept developed and popularized by Vladimir Vernadsky and philosopher and Jesuit priest Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
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OK, so on re-reading my old post, I should have distinguished between "technocracy" (and its twin, "bureaucracy") v "meritocracy".
I like DT's post the best: Top-down decision-making was the downfall of the USSR. Too inflexible.
AFA a "republic of virtue": as long as there are people, there will be no such thing. People come in all flavors with all kinds of impulses. A society that depends on perfect people will never be achievable.
Some examples of societies trying to create "perfect people"
"The Terror"
Constant internecine religious wars which closely monitored which way you crossed yourself or whether you glanced at a graveyard on your way past
Hitler and his Aryan race
Stalin and his new Soviet Man (and Woman)
Mao and his Cultural Revolution
If ppl wonder whether some of those societies would have made the big jump between, say, monarchist France to a Republic, Tsarist Russia to socialism, or Imperial Confucian China to socialist China without these significant upheavals, I can say that society does change ... and change profoundly ... between generations. So change does come, only at a slower pace.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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