Western - Russian relations, as the Russians see it
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Putin gave Russia's "State of the Union" address. If anyone is interested, it took place a month before Joe's*, on April 21, 2021.
Most of the speech was on domestic affairs, with only the last ten minutes or so on foreign affairs. There was some discussion about in in western press, but if anyone wants to know EXACTLY what was said, the Russians have posted a translated version here http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/65418 .
I haven't read the whole thing thru, but scanning the part that affects us and the rest of the west, I've highlighted the most interesting parts.
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Russia is a hospitable country that is open to its good friends. You surely remember what happened during the 2018 football championships. As soon as the epidemiological situation allows, we will lift the remaining restrictions and millions of tourists from all over the world will come to Russia again. We have a practical task at hand: to ensure that e-visas for travel to Russia are available remotely and without undue formalities within a matter of four days in the majority of countries.
The meaning and purpose of Russia's policy in the international arena – I will just say a few words about this to conclude my address – is to ensure peace and security for the well-being of our citizens, for the stable development of our country. Russia certainly has its own interests we defend and will continue to defend within the framework of international law, as all other states do. And if someone refuses to understand this obvious thing or does not want to conduct a dialogue and chooses a selfish and arrogant tone with us, Russia will always find a way to defend its stance.
At the same time, unfortunately, everyone in the world seems to be used to the practice of politically motivated, illegal economic sanctions and to certain actors’ brutal attempts to impose their will on others by force. But today, this practice is degenerating into something even more dangerous – I am referring to the recently exposed direct interference in Belarus in an attempt to orchestrate a coup d’état and assassinate the President of that country. At the same time, it is typical that even such flagrant actions have not been condemned by the so-called collective West. Nobody seemed to notice. Everyone pretends nothing is happening.
But listen, you can think whatever you like of, say, Ukrainian President [Viktor] Yanukovych or [Nicolas] Maduro in Venezuela. I repeat, you can like or dislike them, including Yanukovych who almost got killed, too, and removed from power via an armed coup. You can have your own opinion of President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko’s policy. But the practice of staging coups d’état and planning political assassinations, including those of high-ranking officials – well, this goes too far. This is beyond any limits.
Suffice it to mention the admission made by the detained participants in the conspiracy about a planned siege of Minsk, including plans to block the city infrastructure and communications, and a complete shutdown of the entire power system in the capital of Belarus! This actually means they were preparing a massive cyberattack. What else could it be? You know, you cannot just do it all with one switch.
Clearly, there is a reason why our Western colleagues have been stubbornly rejecting Russia’s numerous proposals to establish an international dialogue on information and cyber security. We have come up with these proposals many times. They avoid even discussing this matter.
What if there had been a real attempt at a coup d’état in Belarus? After all, this was the ultimate goal. How many people would have been hurt? What would have become of Belarus? Nobody is thinking about this.
Just as no one was thinking about the future of Ukraine during the coup in that country.
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Ted and the Democrats love war.
This is great news for them.
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Quote:Unless they lose, bigly. Or get vaporized in a blinding flash. Then maybe not so much.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Ted and the Democrats love war.
This is great news for them.
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Imagine the hypocrisy of a government who will allow businesses to card people to get a job or buy groceries, but won't card people to vote in elections and gives millions of non-citizens free money from taxpayers.
But despite the evidence of the past few decades demonstrating that the the USA armed forces are good for picking on third-rate nations with little defensive capability - but not good for much else- they never believe they will lose. Or worse. That supreme sense of groundless self-confidence and "exceptionalism" is dangerous, to them and to the rest of us.
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Nobody is getting vaporized. At least not by Russia. Or China for that matter...
Despite overpopulation, we still haven't reached a point where everybody is becoming desperate.
The only people we don't want with their finger on the button right now is religious wackjobs who value an afterlife they don't even know exists more than this one.
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So, the text of Putin's foreign affairs speech was extremely brief compared to previous speeches.
Some have said - and this makes sense to me- that Jake Sullivan and his nearest counterpart, Nokolai Patrushev, were negotiating a Presidential summit in the backgrund.
Since Russia has long-characterized the USA as "not agreement capable", and there doesn't seem to be a treaty or agreement that the USA government hasn't broken (just ask American natives!) I think the Russian POV towards negotiating with the USA is somewhere between considering them "uselesS" to "a deliberate waste of time engineered by the west". Seeing as how Biden calls Putin a "killer" one day, then aks for a summit, then applies sanctions the very next day, I think I agree with the Russians.
But we can get an idea of what the Kremlin thinks by reading the following interview with Sergei Lavrov, Russia's Foreign Minister (prolly closest to our Scy State). Lavrov's previous statements have been murky in the extreme. I find this exceptionaly clear, detailed and uncompromising.
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Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s interview with Director General of Rossiya Segodnya International Information Agency Dmitry Kiselev Moscow, April 28, 2021
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The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation
We have available video in Russian and transcript in English.
Transcript:
Dmitry Kiselev: Our relations with the United States are really “hell”. Personally, I don’t recall them being at such a low ebb ever before. This is even worse than the Cold War times, in my opinion. Ambassadors have returned back to their home countries. What’s going to happen next? What is the possible scenario?
Sergey Lavrov: If it depended on us alone, we would gladly resume normal relations. The first possible step towards this, which I regard as obvious, is to zero out the measures restricting the work of Russian diplomats in the United States. It was as a response measure that we restricted the operations of American diplomats in Russia.
We proposed this to the Biden administration as soon as it had taken the oath and assumed office. I have mentioned the idea to US Secretary of State Antony Blinken. I did not try to press it; I just said that an obvious way to normalise our relations would be to zero out the measures initiated by Barack Obama. Several weeks before leaving office, he was so annoyed he virtually slammed the door by seizing Russian property in violation of all the Vienna conventions and throwing Russian diplomats out. This has caused a chain reaction.
We patiently sat back for a long time, until the summer of 2017, before taking any response measures. The Trump administration asked us to disregard the excessive measures taken by the outgoing Obama administration. However, Donald Trump’s team failed to normalise the situation, and so we had to take reciprocal measures. But the Americans have not stopped there.
We can see that the Biden administration continues to go downhill, although US President Biden said during his conversation with President of Russia Vladimir Putin soon after his inauguration, and US Secretary of State Antony Blinken told me that they are thoroughly reviewing their relations with Russia, hoping that this would clarify many things. However, instead they adopted new sanctions, which triggered not simply a mirror response on our part. Our response was asymmetrical, just as we had warned them on numerous occasions. It has to do, in part, with a considerable disparity in the number of diplomats and other personnel of the US diplomatic missions in Russia, which is way above the number of Russian diplomats in the United States.
As for the strategic picture of our relations, I hope that Washington is aware, just as Moscow is, of our responsibility for global stability. There are not only the problems of Russia and the United States, which are complicating our citizens’ lives and their contacts, communications, businessesNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:"Everybody" isn't desperate, SIX, but western elites might be, and that's all that counts.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Nobody is getting vaporized. At least not by Russia. Or China for that matter...
Despite overpopulation, we still haven't reached a point where everybody is becoming desperate.
They decided to make their money and gather power by giving up on production and switching to financialism, but I think evern they see the end of the road coming.
And since they're the ones making the decisions - not us- it will be THEIR level of desperation that determines whether we go to war or not.
Western politicians are doing everything they can to attmept to destabilize both Russia's and China's governments (directly) and threaten their essential interests (indirectly).
In addition to giving Sullivan and Blinken a dressing down in Anchorage https://m.theepochtimes.com/china-continues-to-show-its-contempt-for-t
he-us_3749066.html the Chinese have directly said that if the USA extends a security agreement to Taiwan, that means war.
Administration officials are doing their level-best to piss off both Russia and China at the same time.
Maybe in some weird twisted way they believe that engaging in war now is better than later, when both China and Russia will be more capable.
I believe that China and Russia are already coordinating their military, economic, finacial and foreign affairs and that they have a military agreement between them.
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I'm not saying that there won't be war. There's always going to be war.
I'm not going to lose a single second of sleep worrying about Russia or China using nukes though. Not going to happen. The chance is zero point zero percent.
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Nobody cares what russia, putin or you have to say Polish russian Collaborator Signym.
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Quote:You spend more time posting your paranoia about RUSSIA!RUSSIA!, hyperventilating about their so-called "cyber attacks" and other irrational bullshit. Clearly, you care very much about spooky, supernaturally wiley Russia, or at least as you fantasize it. But when it comes to getting some REAL information about Russia's weapons and diplomatic posture, you prefer to sit under the bedsheets and tell yourself spooky stories instead.
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Nobody cares what russia, putin or you have to say Polish russian Collaborator Signym.
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Not only are you ignorant, you actively work on staying that way.
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Ilnaz Galyaviev is a 19-year-old man accused in the mass murder of students and staffers at a school in Kazan, in Tatarstan, about 12 hours from Moscow, Russia.
A chilling video emerged that appears to show Galyaviev, clad all in black, walking into the school building, where officials say he shot almost 30 people. Seven students and two adults died, most from gunshot wounds but two children died from leaping out of a window to escape the gunman, according to BBC.
https://heavy.com/news/ilnaz-galyaviev/
Local Tatar media provided a detailed timeline of the massacre, describing children hiding under desks as the gunman barged into a classroom. He is accused of writing disturbing messages on a Telegram account, calling himself “God.” Now the suspect who was himself born on a day of infamy – September 11, 2001 – is accused of being a terrorist.
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This morning, lone shooter opened fire in one of the schools in Kazan, Russia. 9 people were killed (eight children and a teacher), at least 32 injured.
The video appears to show the gunman casually strolling with a long gun and backpack toward the school.
The massacre occurred on May 11, 2021.
The mass shooting occurred in Kazan, which is located in Tatarstan. The BBC named the suspect as Ilnaz Galyaviev; reports of two suspects proved false.
BBC reported that two of the children died from jumping out of the windows. Video shows children hiding under desks at the school. According to the Tatar Inform timeline, the killer “tried to take the children hostage, sitting them at the window and demanding not to go out. At this time, two people jumped out of the windows of the school.”
Police responded quickly and prevented even more deaths, detaining Galyaviev, according to the news site.
Daily Mail identified one of the adult victims as Elvira Ignatieva, 26, an English teacher.
I'm not sure of the name but it seems a little unusual maybe Russian girl sounding or maybe more Tatar, Persian, Turkish boy name
According to Tatar Inform, Ilnaz Galyaviev was born on September 11, 2001 “into an average family. His father worked as a garbage truck driver, his mother was a cashier in a bank, his older brother is a student of KFU.”
Tator Inform reported that he “bought a gun less than a month ago in the Republic of Mari El for 30 thousand rubles, having previously received permission. Galyaviev’s father claims that three years ago he underwent brain treatment.” Which kind of brain treatment was not revealed.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/11/russia-school-shooting-k
azan
https://www.campussafetymagazine.com/news/at-least-8-dead-in-russian-s
chool-shooting/
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-gunman-spotted-walkin
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