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Quote:You might be able to discover what is really motivating 6ix by not asking 6ix. Instead, find out what is motivating other people who feel the same as 6ix about the Covid-19 vaccines. Then you might better know 6ix:
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Originally posted by SignyM:
It went all the way back to the government using Pinkerton to bust up unions for business, yellow journalism to whip up war frenzy, etc.
6ix, if you've already answered my ?? about how measles vaccine is different from Covid-19 vaccine, I must have missed it. The rationale for vaccination is the same in both cases. So, what's the diff?
Looks like you can go back and fucking look for it then.
Far-right groups pushing vaccine as 'mark of the beast'
CNN's Pamela Brown and Devin Burghart, the head of the Institute for Research and Education on Human Rights, discuss a New York Times article about far-right extremist groups pivoting their focus to the anti-vaccine movement.
Video at https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2021/04/05/far-right-extremist-groups
-shift-vaccine-misinformation-burghart-intv-nr-vpx.cnn
The NYTimes article is at https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/26/us/far-right-extremism-anti-vaccine
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or at https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/far-right-ex
tremists-move-from-stop-the-steal-to-stop-the-vaccine/
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These groups tend to portray vaccines as a symbol of excessive government control. “If less people get vaccinated then the system will have to use more aggressive force on the rest of us to make us get the shot,” read a recent post on the Telegram social media platform, in a channel linked to members of the Proud Boys charged in storming the Capitol.
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Apocalyptic warnings about the vaccine feed into the far-right narrative that the government cannot be trusted, the sentiment also at the root of the Jan. 6 Capitol riot. The more vaccine opponents succeed in preventing or at least delaying herd immunity, experts noted, the longer it will take for life to return to normal and that will further undermine faith in the government and its institutions.
On Jan. 6, while rioters advanced on the U.S. Capitol, numerous leading figures in the anti-vaccination movement were onstage nearby, holding their own rally to attack both the election results and COVID-19 vaccinations.
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GOP mistrust runs deep. Maligning the coronavirus vaccines is obviously not limited to extremist groups tied to the Capitol riot. There is deep partisanship over the vaccines generally. One-third of Republicans surveyed in a CBS News poll said that they would avoid getting vaccinated and another 20% of Republicans said they were unsure. Other polls found similar trends.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
You might be able to discover what is really motivating 6ix by not asking 6ix. Instead, find out what is motivating other people who feel the same as 6ix about the Covid-19 vaccines. Then you might better know 6ix:
Wrong.
Imagine the hypocrisy of a government who will allow businesses to card people to get a job or buy groceries, but won't card people to vote in elections and gives millions of non-citizens free money from taxpayers.
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Quote:I found out what is going on in the minds of anti-vaxxers:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
You might be able to discover what is really motivating 6ix by not asking 6ix. Instead, find out what is motivating other people who feel the same as 6ix about the Covid-19 vaccines. Then you might better know 6ix:
Wrong.
The authors conclude that education has a huge impact on COVID-19 mortality rates, as the chart above makes clear. Roughly speaking, high school grads die at a rate 3x higher than college grads, and this is true for every racial group.
This is purely an observational study. It presents the data but doesn't attempt to ascertain why low education levels are so deadly.
https://jabberwocking.com/new-study-suggests-education-is-key-to-covid
-19-mortality/
(I will tell you the uncomplicated truth: Ignoramuses die sooner than educated people. Having a college degree is not the same as being educated, but it tends to be. Likewise, having no education is not the same as being an ignoramus, but it tends to be.)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
I found out what is going on in the minds of anti-vaxxers:
I'm "sure" you did buddy. So sure, I didn't read the rest of your post.
P.S. I'm not an anti-vaxxer.
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Quote:Yanno, that's funny, because I WAS posting about all of this back then, and I recall a lot of people from about that time - KWICKO, GEEZER, FINN, NIKI, FREM, BYTEMITE, AURAPTOR, HERO, SOUPCATCHER, ANTHONY, SARGEX etc... and I don't ever recall running across your name. Not even once. If you were posting then, it must not have made much of an impression either way. Were you posting under a different name? Or in a different forum?
1KIKI:
Jack, the government using corporations to skirt the Constitution IS NOT NEW.
It's been going on at least since the US PATRIOT ACT v1, the US wiretap at the San Fran AT&T telephone offices, and the US government 'data center' at Utah, all of which got a lot of discussion and reference.
You're just late to the party. I suspect that's because you were SO buried in your state of denial (to deal with your paranoia-triggered anxiety), you decided it didn't matter back then, and you intentionally wrote it off.
**NOW** - when it's about something that's actually penetrated your denial - you've finally come around.
SIX: I don't ever want to hear a fucking word out of either of you about freedom of speech again.
ETA: I have no fucking idea what "denial" you're talking about either. Aside from maybe FREM, I was the loudest voice against the Patriot Act on this whole goddamned site and knew more about it back in the mid 2000's than you could ever pretend to know.
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THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.
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This is an interesting graphic that summarizes, in a very easy-to-understand way, what's going on with each state, region and the country PER CAPITA; which imo is the most salient metric. Raw numbers don't really tell the story.
OTOH 'cases' is not the best metric since 'cases' depends on testing. COVID-19 hospital admissions and deaths I feel are far more reliable numbers.
Also, it would be interesting to overlay graphs with different per capita metrics on the same timescale - per capita vaccinations for example (Texas by all accounts did a fantastic job getting a huge number of people vaccinated very early), and different scales (per capita per county, which would be helpful in roughly differentiating urban areas from suburban from rural).
And WHAT is going on with Michigan?
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What is going on with Michigan?
Detroit?
Hard to believe but the same state, as seen onDr Pol (struggling family farms, boutique alpaca and reindeer herds, well-tended Amish farms) is the same state that houses hell city.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Yanno, that's funny, because I WAS posting about all of this back then, and I recall a lot of people from about that time - KWICKO, GEEZER, FINN, NIKI, FREM, BYTEMITE, AURAPTOR, HERO, SOUPCATCHER, ANTHONY, SARGEX etc... and I don't ever recall running across your name. Not even once. If you were posting then, it must not have made much of an impression either way. Were you posting under a different name? Or in a different forum?
1KIKI:
Jack, the government using corporations to skirt the Constitution IS NOT NEW.
It's been going on at least since the US PATRIOT ACT v1, the US wiretap at the San Fran AT&T telephone offices, and the US government 'data center' at Utah, all of which got a lot of discussion and reference.
You're just late to the party. I suspect that's because you were SO buried in your state of denial (to deal with your paranoia-triggered anxiety), you decided it didn't matter back then, and you intentionally wrote it off.
**NOW** - when it's about something that's actually penetrated your denial - you've finally come around.
SIX: I don't ever want to hear a fucking word out of either of you about freedom of speech again.
ETA: I have no fucking idea what "denial" you're talking about either. Aside from maybe FREM, I was the loudest voice against the Patriot Act on this whole goddamned site and knew more about it back in the mid 2000's than you could ever pretend to know.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.
I was not posting under a different name, although I posted in quite a few forums.
I believe I didn't hit this site until around late 2005 or 2006, and these posts would have been around until Obama was elected. I tuned out of politics for quite a few years while he was president.
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Looks like they're going to start gearing up everybody for the eternal War on Covid, not to dissimilar to the neverending War on Terror.
Those "free" shots are only going to last you 6 months.
How many billions has Big Pharma made already on this scam?
How many Trillions will they make if you're going to have to get a shot every 6 months for the rest of your life if you want to do things like buy food or leave your house?
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One of the items I've been tracking is the development of a universal flu vaccine.
Along with an Ebola vaccine, it looks like it's one of those research projects that's operating in bits and pieces on a shoestring, and funded exclusively by government rather than having private companies working on it, and mostly done in England (at Oxford, specifically, over the last dozen years or so). Because ... why research something you can't profitably sell over and over again every year, or that really only affects third world-countries who're too poor to afford your product? The only real value to universal vaccines or to Ebola vaccines is if your government provides healthcare, in which case those vaccines will save the government a LOT of money. ... Which is why public healthcare countries are the ones looking into these things.
Anyway ... some progress with the universal flu has been made over the last 5 years or so.
First of all I'm going to outline the science behind the discovery and development of the universal flu vaccine, because it's interesting to me, and because the process for the universal flu vaccine is similar in outline to the process that led to the Ebola vaccine.
Basically, they test lots and lots and lots and lots of blood samples for a neutralizing antibody. They then find the lymphocytes that make that antibody and clone them, then coax them into activity so they can get lots of that monoclonal antibody to work with. To identify what exactly the antibody is working against, they break down the virus (either Ebola or influenza) into bits and pieces, and see what the antibody is sticking to. The final step in terms of a vaccine is to try and make that viral piece artificially, to use to vaccinate people. ... In order for them to make their own targeted neutralizing antibody to the virus. (While all this is simple in concept, it's exceedingly picky, tedious, and technical in practice.)
What's known about the influenza virus is that it mutates ... a lot. So every year new variations on strains of spike proteins evolve, and new vaccines need to be made for them.
What the researchers did was look for neutralizing antibodies to many, many strains of influenza virus. And when they tested it they found that this antibody wasn't directed against the outer portion of the spike protein, which is constantly evolving. Instead, it's directed against the stalk of the spike protein, which attaches the head of the spike protein to the virus, and which is genetically stable (what's called 'conserved'.)
That's the influenza story to date out of Oxford. They've discovered a universal influenza neutralizing antibody, and identified the 'stalk' piece of the virus that it works against.
So, what does this have to with SARS-CoV-2? Aside from the obvious parallels, of course ...
Pfizer just announced that that third vaccination within a year of being fully vaccinated is likely going to be necessary. My question is - is this due to waning effectiveness, or new strains, or both, or something else? I scoured through as many news sources and search engines as I could to try to find out 'why', and the best I could find out was that it's a combination of both - new strains, with waning effectiveness. Though it appears those aren't completely separate topics. If old vaccines have a reduced effectiveness against new strains, then one method of countering that is to boost people's immunity from time to time, to keep the old vaccine more effective against them.
When it comes to waning immunity - THIS IS NOT A NEW TOPIC. I posted about this over a year ago. At the time the question of effective immunity and length of immune state from either actual infection OR from a vaccine was already being posed (especially by me, because it didn't get a lot of air-time in the media). It only LOOKS like news, because vaccines were over-hyped as a magic bullet. And so this looks like a new unexpected complication. It isn'
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