lindsay mcdonald

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Originally posted by Grounded:
S4 Angelus is utterly limp.

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I agree. He was awesome in "Soulless" though, but afterwards meh.

Even without watching Buffy there are still some great glimpses of Angelus and just how bad he was. Rewatch the Angelus/Darla/Drusilla flashbacks in the first few seasons and it shows what an evil evil mofo he was. There were a few bits of flashbacks in season 5 as well, but it was told from a much different perspective than the earlier seasons.

But it makes more of an impact if you've seen Buffy season 2, because Angel himself explains his past, and then later you get to actually see Angelus in action.

Creeeepy. *shudder*

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Originally posted by amyel:

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Originally posted by Grounded:
S4 Angelus is utterly limp.

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I agree. He was awesome in "Soulless" though, but afterwards meh.

Even without watching Buffy there are still some great glimpses of Angelus and just how bad he was. Rewatch the Angelus/Darla/Drusilla flashbacks in the first few seasons and it shows what an evil evil mofo he was. There were a few bits of flashbacks in season 5 as well, but it was told from a much different perspective than the earlier seasons.

But it makes more of an impact if you've seen Buffy season 2, because Angel himself explains his past, and then later you get to actually see Angelus in action.

Creeeepy. *shudder*

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cannot comment on the buffy version of angelus, but the angel version, even in the early season stuff is more talk than action in my opinion. angelus can say rude things, make you uncomfortable, but i never felt that there was all that much to be afraid of. sure, they show him killing people and such, but he was never all that creepy. he just seemed like more of a jerk. of course, i am basing this on just the angel series.

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Originally posted by est120:


cannot comment on the buffy version of angelus, but the angel version, even in the early season stuff is more talk than action in my opinion. angelus can say rude things, make you uncomfortable, but i never felt that there was all that much to be afraid of.

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Angelus was all about psychological torture. He *was* more talk than action, but it's still awfully damaging. Angelus wasn't about a high body count, but if he was fixated on you, there was no worse fate. Let's take Drusilla for example. From flashbacks in both series (most of this is from Angel so no big Buffy spoilers):

-Darla points out this young woman to Angelus. She's virginal-- and hey! Psychic. Fun! Angelus has got himself a new project.

-Angelus talks to her while posing as a priest at confession (he ate the priest btw). She confesses that she sees things that are about to happen, and she's worried that it's wicked to be able to do that. Fake-priest Angelus confirms that, yes, she is an evil sinner. He starts his little psych game right there.

-Angelus stalks her. He eventually kills every single member of her family (probably while she was watching). He killed her parents, her sisters, aunts, uncles, and every other thing she loved.

-Dru, probably near-crazy from that ordeal, ran away to a convent. On the night she was to take her holy orders, Angelus raped/killed the entire convent in front of Dru. He continued to rape/torture Drusilla until she was completely insane. He then turned her into a vampire, because he decided that just killing her would end the pain/fun for him. He decided to make her an experiment in eternal tormet. Because Dru was insane, it would be fun to see her suffer for all eternity.

Sure, Drusilla as a vampire seems to enjoy her evilness and insanity, but that is a pretty good example of what Angelus was capable of.

He also wasn't particularly nice to Holtz (killed his infant son/raped his wife to death/turned his daughter into a vampire) but then that certainly came back to bite him in the ass big time.

So yeah, I stand by my "creepy villian" statement.

Though, IMO, that whole story doesn't make as much as an emotional statement as "Passions" from Buffy s2. I think because it was sort of "real time" in-the-moment action. Damn... that was traumatizing for me. But Angelus was a great villian...

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you don't know about Angelus if you haven't seen S2 of Buffy and it's so much better if you never knew it was gonna happen.

I saw it not knowing that Angel would ever be anything besides the nice and guildridden, slightly dumb but loyal vampire-boyfriend of Buffy.

at the end of Innocence I was shaking and by the time Passion was over I was afraid of this guy and hated him more than I've ever hated any character on TV. and I didn't even like Jenny.

but I didn't think Angelus in S4 of Angel was all bad. he managed to say or imply everything everyone didn't want to hear and hurt them all more than any other villain while still locked inside a cage. he is all about torture and he likes the psychic kind even more than the physical. but you're all right he didn't do much afterwards and that wasn't really in-character for him. he should have tortured at least some of them some more. maybe turn Fred into a vampire to get a rise out of Wesley and Gunn or something like that. seemed they were afraid of doing something drastic like that and that made the greatest villain somewhat tame in the end.

Idefix

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I just think his whole character is off in S4, particularly the speech patterns. In another thread I dredged up a bunch of awful quotes from Soulless, but I'm too lazy to go find them again

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