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Oh, btw Jack - I saw that you posted AND included a lot of links. And I really appreciate it!
Unfortunately, right at this very moment I have stuff that'll be keeping me busy for a number of days. I'll get back to you, read your post carefully, follow up on your links, and respond - on topic, in detail - just not right away.
But I will engage in discussion like I think we both want, I promise.
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Sounds good. I'm not going anywhere.
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I was hoping to sit down in a concentrated session and read these as a body, but that's not going to happen soon. So I'll go through them one by one as I have time.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/life/article/Peter-Hotez-fight-for-sc
ience-COVID-houston-texas-15982489.php
Quote:Behind a paywall.
He asked his wife, Ann, what he should do. Speak out, she said. “You don’t want to wake up in a year and see the body count and know that you didn’t do all you could to prevent it.”
alternate source
https://www.pressreader.com/usa/san-antonio-express-news-sunday/202102
28/282286732995081
Quote:??? It's a very truncated story about a vaccine expert in Texas. I'm not sure what 'sentiment' you're referring to. You'll have to spell it out for me to address it.
You could stumble around with a blindfold on and find a dozen articles per day sharing that sentiment.
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Quote:Well, that was "Updated Fri, Dec 18 2020". But in the roughly 3 months since then, attitudes about vaccines may have changed. A lot of people weren't against vaccines pe se - what they were against was going first - being the guinea pigs so to speak. As experience with the vaccines grows, so do people's attitudes.
As for requiring people to get vaccinated before going back to work?
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/18/require-covid-19-vaccine-for-work-retu
rn-heres-what-americans-say.htmlQuote:
57% of workers support a mandatory Covid-19 vaccine for return to office: CNBC Survey
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Confidence in coronavirus vaccines has grown with majority now saying they want it
In a Pew Research Center poll* published Friday, 69 percent of U.S. adults surveyed between Feb. 16 and Feb. 21 said they had either already received the vaccine or intended to get the vaccine, an increase from 60 percent who said they planned to get vaccinated in November.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/confidence-in-coronavirus-vacc
ines-has-grown-with-majority-now-saying-they-want-it/ar-BB1ejVFo
* March 5, 2021 Growing Share of Americans Say They Plan To Get a COVID-19 Vaccine – or Already Have
77% think vaccinations will benefit U.S. economy
Quote:Unfortunately I didn't find any equivalent polls about what people think about the workplace and mandatory vaccines. What I DO think is that employers are not really in the habit of caring about what the employees want. So I'm not sure how relevant an opinion poll about that would be.
https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2021/03/05/growing-share-of-americ
ans-say-they-plan-to-get-a-covid-19-vaccine--or-already-have/
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I was hoping to sit down in a concentrated session and read these as a body, but that's not going to happen soon. So I'll go through them one by one as I have time.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/life/article/Peter-Hotez-fight-for-sc
ience-COVID-houston-texas-15982489.phpQuote:Behind a paywall.
He asked his wife, Ann, what he should do. Speak out, she said. “You don’t want to wake up in a year and see the body count and know that you didn’t do all you could to prevent it.”
alternate source
https://www.pressreader.com/usa/san-antonio-express-news-sunday/202102
28/282286732995081Quote:??? It's a very truncated story about a vaccine expert in Texas. I'm not sure what 'sentiment' you're referring to. You'll have to spell it out for me to address it.
You could stumble around with a blindfold on and find a dozen articles per day sharing that sentiment.
The "sentiment" is that there are stories all over the place where people are suggesting that we need to require people to be vaccinated before they go back to work, or kids to be vaccinated before they go back to school. Short of that, we need to try our best to DEEPLY shame anyone who won't get them otherwise we will feel the guilt that more people died and we sat back and did nothing about it.
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Well, that was "Updated Fri, Dec 18 2020". But in the roughly 3 months since then, attitudes about vaccines may have changed. A lot of people weren't against vaccines pe se - what they were against was going first - being the guinea pigs so to speak. As experience with the vaccines grows, so do people's attitudes.
That's not arguing my point. In fact, that's validating it.
The number of people so terrified of the virus that they'll do anything to get the shot hasn't grown. But the number of people who are so desperate to get back to life before Covid has. For them, getting this shot and just getting it over with is the decision they've made out of that desperation.
TPTB won't move on to any harsher measures until they run out of people who willingly walk up to them with their arms stuck out for the shot.
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Unfortunately I didn't find any equivalent polls about what people think about the workplace and mandatory vaccines. What I DO think is that employers are not really in the habit of caring about what the employees want. So I'm not sure how relevant an opinion poll about that would be.
That's besides the point.
My point is that it's no different to for a company to force vaccination mandates on the employees than it is for a company to silence free speech. Both of them let the government off the hook for it. One can't argue that one is wrong and the other is completely a-okay.
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Oh... Don't know if you just happened to start looking at the articles when I mentioned them last night in the other thread by coincidence, or if you after I posted in the other thread, but I'll re-post them here just to have them in the same spot.
POST 1:
Don't know if you ever got around to reading those links you said you were going to read Kiki, but here's another brick in the "we're going to punish you if you don't submit and get vaccinated" wall...
https://apnews.com/article/cdc-fully-vaccinated-can-gather-without-mas
ks-b9775dcde0254037e012ea9447e49917
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Fully vaccinated people can gather without masks, CDC says
The implication, of course, being that if you're not than you can't.
POST 2:
I wonder when they're going to start bandying around the term "Bio-Terrorist" when referring to people who won't get vaccinated.
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And here's some other articles to look at when you get the time.
I think my biggest point here is that whether or not Our government chooses to get involved, it's going to be happening at some point. I guess at that point I'll have to start letting everyone know how bad life gets for people who won't get the vaccine.
Maybe if I'm lucky, they decide at some point that enough people have gotten the vaccine before they move on to some real draconian measures.
U.S. News...
March 10th:
https://web.archive.org/web/20210310152400if_/https://www.washingtonpo
st.com/business/what-are-vaccine-passports-and-how-would-they-work/2021/03/09/925e9f98-814f-11eb-be22-32d331d87530_story.html
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What Are Vaccine Passports and How Would They Work?
By Iain Marlow and Jason Gale | Bloomberg
With millions being vaccinated against Covid-19 every day, some political and business leaders are suggesting nations can help get life back to normal by rolling out a so-called vaccine passport: an easily accessible and verifiable certification that a person’s been inoculated. Private companies are already beginning to look at making shots mandatory for people who want to get on planes, cruise ships or attend events such as concerts. A handful of projects from governments, private firms and international associations are currently underway. But the idea raises scientific and ethical questions.
March 10th:
https://money.yahoo.com/70-of-employees-believe-vaccines-should-be-req
uired-before-returning-to-office-glassdoor-140002698.html
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70% of employees believe vaccines should be required before returning to office: Glassdoor
Reggie Wade
It’s no secret that people have an array of opinions when it comes to the COVID-19 vaccine. According to a recent survey from online job site Glassdoor, a whopping 70% of employees believe that they should be required to get a vaccine before returning to the office.
March 4th:
https://www.live5news.com/2021/03/04/sc-lawmakers-introduce-bill-preve
nt-mandatory-covid-vaccines/
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SC lawmakers debating bill to make sure all COVID-19 vaccinations are voluntary
COLUMBIA, S.C. (WCSC) - There is no state mandate in South Carolina for anyone to get the COVID-19 vaccine, but some South Carolinians are worried their jobs will force them to get the shot.
More than half of all South Carolinians will be eligible to receive the COVID-19 vaccine once the state transitions into phase 1B on March 8.
While some will be rushing to get the vaccine, others are praying the vaccine will not be forced on them.
March 5th:
https://www.parents.com/health/will-the-covid-19-vaccine-be-mandatory-
for-kids/
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Will the COVID-19 Vaccine Be Mandatory for Kids?
With three COVID-19 vaccines approved for emergency use authorization, many parents are wondering if vaccination will be mandated by the government, schools, or employers. Here’s what you need to know.
British News... Where the freedom of choice seems a bit more grim.
March 5th:
https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-55718553
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'Vaccine passports': Will I need one for going out, work and travel?
It's prompted more debate on whether "vaccine passports" could become a feature of foreign travel, and even be used within the UK to allow entry to places like pubs or sports stadiums.
March 10th:
https://archive.vn/AYkB1
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No jab, no job: As British companies move to mandate coronavirus vaccines for employees, discrimination fears mount
Some British companies are planning to give their workers a stark choice this year: Accept the coronavirus vaccine or lose your job.
Labor rights groups have come out against the policy, dubbed “jabs for jobs,” arguing that mandatory vaccines would not stop the spread of the virus but could lead to discrimination on socio-economic and ethnic grounds.
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Just a couple of quick comments:
We both got our second shot and except for a mildly sore arm, and hubby's stuffy nose, so far no side effects.
If "vaccine passports" are a thing of the future, they're going to have to make them difficult to counterfeit, like $20 bills and driver's licences. (Meanwhile, your Social Security card is nothing more than thin cardboard, so fragile that they make plastic sleeves to protect them.) Right now, all I have is a "vaccination record" to carry around with me with my name on it. When paired with a durable photo ID, and linked the the HCP database it may be clunky but workable in small scale
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Quote:Where in the article did it even imply that? Vaccines save lives. It's that simple, really. But nowhere was it even implied COVID-19 vaccines *should* be required for anything, by anyone.
6 - The "sentiment" is that there are stories all over the place where people are suggesting that we need to require people to be vaccinated before they go back to work, or kids to be vaccinated before they go back to school. Short of that, we need to try our best to DEEPLY shame anyone who won't get them otherwise we will feel the guilt that more people died and we sat back and did nothing about it.
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k - Well, that was "Updated Fri, Dec 18 2020". But in the roughly 3 months since then, attitudes about vaccines may have changed. A lot of people weren't against vaccines pe se - what they were against was going first - being the guinea pigs so to speak. As experience with the vaccines grows, so do people's attitudes.
Quote:You mean people SHOULDN'T LEARN FROM DIRECTLY OBSERVED EXPERIENCE? That people they know who get the vaccine don't sprout green horns with purple spots, and nobody is being turned into a Bill Gates zombie? Whyever would you think that experience shouldn't change people's minds? It's pretty natural to be hesitant about something unknown. But once you get some history with it, and it's proved itself to be within reason, the fears of the unknown SHOULD subside. Because if they don't, then that's a disconnect from reality.
6 - That's not arguing my point. In fact, that's validating it.
Quote:How do you know that? Where's your evidence? You're doing WISHI mind-reading and that seems to be a really bad way of getting information.
6 - The number of people so terrified of the virus that they'll do anything to get the shot hasn't grown. But the number of people who are so desperate to get back to life before Covid has. For them, getting this shot and just getting it over with is the decision they've made out of that desperation.
Quote:And nowhere in either post that I've read so far does it say anything about employers requiring vaccinations. Yes, I think they can Constitutionally do that. And they might do that, eventually. OR, they just might replace people with robots wherever they can, like Amazon 'fulfillment' centers. But it has nothing to do with what people want or fear. You know, look at all the people who died in the meat-processing places around the country, where people came to work scared they'd be the next ones to get sick, and maybe even die. Mangers at one plant even had a betting pool on how many would get sick. https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2020/11/19/tyson-foods-manager
6 - My point is that it's no different to for a company to force vaccination mandates on the employees than it is for a company to silence free speech. Both of them let the government off the hook for it. One can't argue that one is wrong and the other is completely a-okay.
s-placed-bets-on-how-many-workers-would-catch-covid-19-wrongful-death-lawsuit-alleges Does that sound like they cared all that much about the people who worked there - their health and lives, let alone their fears and wishes?
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So, no, I'm going going to chase after your ever expanding list of links, though I will read the original set eventually. But so far, your links don't show what you claim.
But I have a completely separate question for you. Are you against THIS vaccine in particular, or all vaccines in general?
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