Countdown Clock to Trumps impeachment " STARTS"
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Why don't you talk about the current President, idiot?
By this time in 2017 you had already posted two dozen threads about Trump.
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Trump's attempts to overturn the election have cost taxpayers more than $519 million so far.
More than $488 million was for Capitol security while another $30 million was in state costs. The Post tallied the cost from reviews of local, state, and federal spending records, and interviews with government officials. The costs included legal fees, damage costs from the Capitol siege in January, military and security expenses, and more.
Trump and his Republican allies spent the weeks leading up to Biden's inauguration filing dozens of lawsuits in swing states attempting to overturn the results, delay certification, or throw out votes. They failed to win any of them.
At a "Save America" rally shortly before Congress began certifying the electoral vote on January 6, Trump told a crowd of supporters to march to the Capitol and continued to allege mass voter fraud. He also falsely claimed that Congress and Vice President Mike Pence could "decertify" the election results and give him another term.
After his speech, supporters breached the US Capitol and clashed with law enforcement. The riot resulted in the deaths of five people, including a police officer.
The House of Representatives impeached Trump for "incitement of insurrection" for his role in the riot. The Senate will hold an impeachment trial next week.
The riot led to a demand for increased security around lawmakers and the Capitol ahead of the impeachment trial.
National Guard troops were deployed to Washington, DC, following the attack and some will remain there until mid-March. The Post reported that the cost for that is at least $480 million. Additionally, the week of the attack, the DC Metropolitan Police spent $8.8 million protecting the Capitol.
Costs for repairing the Capitol to clean up the damage of the attack, the cost for the US Park Police to clean up the National Mall, and costs for additional staffing, overtime, and medical bills from Capitol Police are also still unknown.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-baseless-election-fraud-claim-c
ost-taxpayers-over-519-million-2021-2
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Oh yeah?
What's Biden* up to?
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The past few years have delivered a slightly alarming number of think pieces, essays, and Twitter quips drawing parallels between American decline and the “fall of Rome.” Though it’s often delivered in jest, the comparison isn’t without merit: an empire, stretched beyond its ability to effectively govern, straining under the weight of its own hubris and mythology; a republic that ceded control of its future to a solitary executive; a government that at first turned a blind eye and was later powerless to stop pandemics and famine. Rome seems to stand as a cautionary tale. Whatever you think of the claim, with the Senate trial of former President Donald J. Trump looming, there’s a relevant lesson we can learn from Rome’s example. The empire was at times obsessed with trying to remove unpopular or corrupt leaders from the public record after they were no longer in power. But their attempts to do so show us that if we truly want to erase the legacies of bad leaders, we might be better served by holding them to account rather than by simply trying to eradicate them from public consciousness. A systematic and transparent legal process accomplishes what simple erasure cannot. We need to confront their records in order to forget them.
In ancient Rome, after a particularly woeful leader or other public figure died, authorities could initiate a process called damnatio memoriae—condemnation of memory—which essentially expunged that individual from the historical record. The term itself is not ancient, but it is used by scholars to denote this systematic practice of, well, cancellation. From destroying, decapitating, or recarving statues, to chiseling names from inscriptions and stamping out coinage, to holding public bonfires to destroy documents and portraits, by many accounts the Roman people delighted in exacting the ultimate punishment on failed leadership: erasure.
You might already detect the connections between Roman damnatio and our current moment. In ancient Rome, damnatio often led to the reversal of unpopular imperial decrees, echoed today in the near-record number of executive orders signed by newly elected President Joe Biden, many of these aimed at reversing Trump-era policies.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210208124907/https://slate.com/news-and-
politics/2021/02/erasing-donald-trump-impeachment-romans.html
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Trump will just play the Reverse card when his turn comes back up in Presidential Uno.
If you have a problem with Executive Orders, which you absolutely should, let's not pretend that only one guy or party is responsible for them, or that using those very same powers to reverse other EO's is acceptable.
You're like half-right on everything. Too bad you're always half-wrong.
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Quote:Trump killed every nuclear weapons treaty except one, which he would have let expire this month if he had been reelected. Biden undid that decision. Treaty or no treaty, nobody has been nuked to death in awhile, but not having the treaty makes a billion deaths powerfully likely. I wouldn't expect Trump or Trumptards to understand that possibility or even what a jackass Trump has always been as a businessman, family man, entertainer, tax payer, or politician.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Trump will just play the Reverse card when his turn comes back up in Presidential Uno.
If you have a problem with Executive Orders, which you absolutely should, let's not pretend that only one guy or party is responsible for them, or that using those very same powers to reverse other EO's is acceptable.
You're like half-right on everything. Too bad you're always half-wrong.
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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Treaty or no treaty, nobody has been nuked to death in awhile, but not having the treaty makes a billion deaths powerfully likely.
Zero truth to this claim.
There are already enough nukes to destroy the world 3 times over.
As long as you don't allow cult leaders of a diseased religion serving a vengeful god and shepherding people who are gladly willing to die for their cause amass an arsenal, ain't nobody based in reality going to be throwing the first stone.
It's not 1985 and we don't need Superman to throw all of our nukes into the sun.
Now, why don't you respond to the point of my post instead of always changing the subject?
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Quote:Which is a problem of Obama's - and not Trump's.
Trump killed every nuclear weapons treaty except one ...
Constitutionally, for any treaty to be durable and have the power of law - and not be simply a draft for consideration - it must be ratified by a 2/3 Senate majority. And sometimes - when for example it requires any expenditure of Federal money - it must also be passed by the House as well. Obama never submitted these treaties for a Senate vote. Nor did he campaign for them and take his appeal to the American people to pressure the Senate.
Whether Climate Change Accords, or nuclear treaties, he did them the same way he ...
ordered unconstitutional mass surveillance on the American people (Snowden)
prosecuted a record number of whistleblowers (Rosen)
moved hundreds of tons of military equipment to ISIS/ ISIL and other extremist groups in Syria (Hersch: "The Rat Line ...")
carried out unconstitutional drone executions including of 4 American citizens (Amwar Al-Awlaki, Samir Khan, Jude Kenan Mohammad, and Abdulrahman al-Awlaki)
... and that was on the down-low.
The President - for example Obama - must submit treaties to the Senate for a vote. But if not submitted they can't be passed, and if not passed they are not law. That makes any signed treaty - like Obama's 'treaties' - not passed into law just as durable as an executive order, which is, not at all.
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Quote:You might not be aware, but the Republican Party will not approve treaties. The Senate went from 1,500 treaties in the first 200 years to no treaties per year, thanks to the stubbornness of the GOP.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:Which is a problem of Obama's - and not Trump's.
Trump killed every nuclear weapons treaty except one ...
Constitutionally, for any treaty to be durable and have the power of law - and not be simply a draft for consideration - it must be ratified by a 2/3 Senate majority. And sometimes - when for example it requires any expenditure of Federal money - it must also be passed by the House as well. Obama never submitted these treaties for a Senate vote. Nor did he campaign for them and take his appeal to the American people to pressure the Senate.
Whether Climate Change Accords, or nuclear treaties, he did them the same way he ...
ordered unconstitutional mass surveillance on the American people (Snowden)
prosecuted a record number of whistleblowers (Rosen)
moved hundreds of tons of military equipment to ISIS/ ISIL and other extremist groups in Syria (Hersch: "The Rat Line ...")
carried out unconstitutional drone executions including of 4 American citizens (Amwar Al-Awlaki, Samir Khan, Jude Kenan Mohammad, and Abdulrahman al-Awlaki)
... and that was on the down-low.
The President - for example Obama - must submit treaties to the Senate for a vote. But if not submitted they can't be passed, and if not passed they are not law. That makes any signed treaty - like Obama's 'treaties' - not passed into law just as durable as an executive order, which is, not at all.
https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Treaties.
htm
Democrats have negotiated agreements with N. Korea about nuclear weapons and Republicans have sabotaged those agreements, leaving the world in a very dangerous situation. You won't find any Republicans agreeing that their stubbornness is dangerous; the Republicans say it is the Democrats' fault for not negotiating the best possible treaties, as if Republicans would approve a treaty if only it was more to their liking, but they never like anything and never will:
https://www.cfr.org/timeline/north-korean-nuclear-negotiations
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