I almost feel sorry for Elektra

POSTED BY: Caite
UPDATED: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 04:49
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PHOEBE

Monday, January 10, 2005 4:20 PM

Hey hey, I hit the reply button and posted my opinion related to the first post of this thread, no need to shoot me down. Does it matter that I'm 17 years old? I have just as much right as everyone else to watch a movie so I'd appreciate you not bitching me out and playing the condescending adult, cause that's really not fair.

I dislike Alias. I dislike Jennifer Garner. I dislike the Jen/Elektra/Alias craze. Am I a stereotypical 'young girl'? No. I'm a girl with an actual mind of her own. I dislike JG's character on Alias, the show seems false to me *shrugs* No need to talk down to me because I don't like it. Its not as though I'm bad mouthing anyone just by saying that I aren't a fan.

We all have our own opinions, maybe being civil and respecting them wouldn't be too hard.

ZEEK

Monday, January 10, 2005 4:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Phoebe:
Hey hey, I hit the reply button and posted my opinion related to the first post of this thread, no need to shoot me down. Does it matter that I'm 17 years old? I have just as much right as everyone else to watch a movie so I'd appreciate you not bitching me out and playing the condescending adult, cause that's really not fair.

I dislike Alias. I dislike Jennifer Garner. I dislike the Jen/Elektra/Alias craze. Am I a stereotypical 'young girl'? No. I'm a girl with an actual mind of her own. I dislike JG's character on Alias, the show seems false to me *shrugs* No need to talk down to me because I don't like it. Its not as though I'm bad mouthing anyone just by saying that I aren't a fan.

We all have our own opinions, maybe being civil and respecting them wouldn't be too hard.

I'm sorry for saying this cause I know it's probably going to get some backlash but doesn't that post sound like the stereotypical angsty youth. Anything based on age is "not fair". The attempt to put themselves on the moral high ground. Eh whatever.

Anyway I'll be in line for Elektra. I'll gladly be a stereotypical male if it means seeing Jen in tight leather. Now I just have to work on convincing others to go with me

LIBBY

Monday, January 10, 2005 6:22 PM

Zeek, first of all, you’re obviously very much not sorry for saying it, or you simply wouldn’t have *consciously* gone there. ;) Either that, or you have some sort of impulse control problem/itchy posting finger that leaves your statement even more hypocritical. If you want to go around insulting today’s youth, perhaps you should try to demonstrate a slightly more mature behavior level yourself.

There was nothing about Phoebe’s post that should have led to any of the personal insults that came from anyone on this board. Yes, they were personal. She was simply stating her opinion, and who is to say that it’s any less valid? Because she’s younger than some of us? Nobody is trying to put anyone on the “high moral ground”, but simply on equal ground. The fact that some of you can’t understand that just goes to prove her words even more strongly.

Now even though I am quite a number of years older than Phoebe, I happen to know the girl pretty well. I can say from my experience, she is very much NOT “stereotypical angsty youth”. Her maturity level truly is far beyond her years, and the fact that some of you have chosen to discriminate against her based on her age alone without even knowing the girl, again, goes to prove your own immaturity level.

It’s quite obvious that some of you didn’t like that Phoebe has a mind of her own and chooses to tactfully disagree with some of your opinions. There’s certainly nothing wrong with a difference of opinion, nor is there anything wrong with a mature discussion of differing opinions. However, some of your rude, personal, discriminatory, and hypocritical comments are best left at the door. If you don’t agree with someone, fine, but don’t sit there and talk down to them like YOU are the one on the higher moral ground.

CAITE

Monday, January 10, 2005 6:39 PM

I'm glad someone said it, so I didn't have to. I felt that the remarks written about Phoebe were uncalled for, and they are potentially the types of things that could make a person not want to post, you know?

Let's just be friends.

EMBERS

Monday, January 10, 2005 6:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Phoebe:
Does it matter that I'm 17 years old?
I dislike Alias. I dislike Jennifer Garner. I dislike the Jen/Elektra/Alias craze.

I am considerably older than 17 and I also dislike Alias & 24...
I hate the underlying covert US govt operations thing
it totally creeps me out...

it also bothers me that so many people online seem to feel that everyone has to like the same stuff
I mean I assume we all love 'Firefly' because that is our reason for joining the board
but why would it follow that we should like Elektra and/or Jennifer Garner?
Particularly when posting on a thread which isn't even supporting the movie.

Similarly there are fireflyfans who evidently feel that other fireflyfans should commit themselves to supporting Star Wars
WTF is up with that?
Can't we be disappointed with a lot of the new action films
and love the fact that Joss has managed to over come the current tendency to rely only on action and special effects.
that Joss' genius has always been his character driven, but still very exciting, stories?

SOUTHERNSLAYER

Monday, January 10, 2005 7:21 PM

Hey guys, and girls.
Its been a while since I've posted on the board. Hope you all had a good holiday and have gone back to work or education well. One thing I admire most about this board and the people on it is we all interact so well with one another, venomous arguments are few and far between and we work well as a team be it through petitions, informing others of Firefly and Serenity, contributing material or even just posting on the board now and again. It's this quality that sets us aside from other fan boards, its this that makes me proud to say i post here. Basicly what Im trying to say is we dont need to sqaubel over silly disputes. We're better than that.

Anyway.. I kinda went off on a bit of a tangent there. I will be going to see Elekta on it's opening day as I admire Jeniffer Garner esspecially for her depiction of Elektra in the Daredevil movie. Speaking of the Daredevil movie, for all it gets a bad rap I recently watched the directors cut and was blown away by the difference between it and the original film, another example of the suits making a bad decision.

The last thing I'd ever want to do is to force my opinion on any of you, but I would suggest you atleast give Elektra a chance if you are even remotely interested in the film, if not for the story, or even Jen Garner then to support the brilliant work of ex buffy composser Christophe Beck (the creator of the memorable buffy angel love theme) as he is the cmposer of this movie. The first five minutes of the film are available for viewing here: http://movies.yahoo.com/movies/feature/elektraqt1.html if you wish to get an idea of what the films really about not all the showy crap you often find in trailers. Thanks guys.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

ZEEK

Monday, January 10, 2005 7:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Libby:
Zeek, first of all, you’re obviously very much not sorry for saying it, or you simply wouldn’t have *consciously* gone there. ;) Either that, or you have some sort of impulse control problem/itchy posting finger that leaves your statement even more hypocritical. If you want to go around insulting today’s youth, perhaps you should try to demonstrate a slightly more mature behavior level yourself.

There was nothing about Phoebe’s post that should have led to any of the personal insults that came from anyone on this board. Yes, they were personal. She was simply stating her opinion, and who is to say that it’s any less valid? Because she’s younger than some of us? Nobody is trying to put anyone on the “high moral ground”, but simply on equal ground. The fact that some of you can’t understand that just goes to prove her words even more strongly.

Now even though I am quite a number of years older than Phoebe, I happen to know the girl pretty well. I can say from my experience, she is very much NOT “stereotypical angsty youth”. Her maturity level truly is far beyond her years, and the fact that some of you have chosen to discriminate against her based on her age alone without even knowing the girl, again, goes to prove your own immaturity level.

It’s quite obvious that some of you didn’t like that Phoebe has a mind of her own and chooses to tactfully disagree with some of your opinions. There’s certainly nothing wrong with a difference of opinion, nor is there anything wrong with a mature discussion of differing opinions. However, some of your rude, personal, discriminatory, and hypocritical comments are best left at the door. If you don’t agree with someone, fine, but don’t sit there and talk down to them like YOU are the one on the higher moral ground.

This is why I was sorry. I knew someone would blow things out of perportion. You have to see that Phoebe's post was full of attacks. "I have a mind of my own" implying that other youths who like Alias are mindless drones. Calling the people who replied to her message "condescending adults". She also attacked people saying they were not being "civil and respecting".

If she was indeed "mature beyond her years" I would expect her to keep personal attacks out of her discussion.

Anyway all I was saying was it struck me as another funny post by a teenager attempting to sound mature. Just my opinion. Nothing wrong with that right?

AURAPTOR

Monday, January 10, 2005 7:51 PM

Quote:
I hate the underlying covert US govt operations thing
it totally creeps me out...

I hate it too, but for a different reason. I wish the U.S. Gov't was 1/2 as competent as what is displayed on t.v. Heck, I'd settle for 1/4th that level. WHY, you may ask ? Simple. If we had the capacity and talents that is so often assumed we have from t.v. shows ( and Tom Clancy books ), we'd have offed OBL and Saddam by now, and know EXACTLY what really is going on in N.Korea and Iran. However, in the real world, we must deal w/ the issues of space and time, humans being constantly distracted by real life issues, politics, and yes, the legal restraints of the Constitution.

Oh, and I'm still not overly impressed w/ JG either.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

EMBERS

Monday, January 10, 2005 7:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
[B You have to see that Phoebe's post was full of attacks.
"I have a mind of my own" implying that other youths who like Alias are mindless drones. Calling the people who replied to her message "condescending adults". She also attacked people saying they were not being "civil and respecting".

If she was indeed "mature beyond her years" I would expect her to keep personal attacks out of her discussion.

personally I would think it is insanely paranoid
for anyone to take Phoebe's "I" statements
as an attack upon anyone else, in any way.

Of course, I'm sure that that cannot be what you meant Zeek....

ZEEK

Monday, January 10, 2005 8:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:
Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
You have to see that Phoebe's post was full of attacks.
"I have a mind of my own" implying that other youths who like Alias are mindless drones. Calling the people who replied to her message "condescending adults". She also attacked people saying they were not being "civil and respecting".

If she was indeed "mature beyond her years" I would expect her to keep personal attacks out of her discussion.

personally I would think it is insanely paranoid
for anyone to take Phoebe's "I" statements
as an attack upon anyone else, in any way.

Of course, I'm sure that that cannot be what you meant Zeek....

Actually that is what I meant. You don't see it as an attack on someone else if I say "I'm not like you. I'm nice, intelligent and mature." "I" statements can easily be used as an attack in my opinion.

Anyway I guess I might as well drop it before this thread gets totally overrun. Elektra is most likely an action movie with a cookie cutter plot. Which is something that a lot of people enjoy. I think it could be an enjoyable film.

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