What next..Bush to blame for S.E. Asian quake/Tsunami ?
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Friday, March 11, 2005 16:01
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but I've seen so many absurd things said about President Bush, I was wondering if there were folks out in the world who really would try to lay the blame for this event on him
Yeah, well, the sad part is, so many of the absurd things said about Bush are true. He's his own best lampoon.
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but I've seen so many absurd things said about President Bush, I was wondering if there were folks out in the world who really would try to lay the blame for this event on him
Yeah, well, the sad part is, so many of the absurd things said about Bush are true. He's his own best lampoon.
IMHO
Care to site some examples?
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Not to make light of a major disaster and the high number of lives lost, but I've seen so many absurd things said about President Bush, I was wondering if there were folks out in the world who really would try to lay the blame for this event on him.
I hope folks will be reminded that mankind isn't all that we're cracked up to be, when it comes to knowing who's in charge of this rock that spins around the closest star.
Actually I was wondering when the big lightbulb was going to flicker to life over Dubya's head and he was going to blame it all on Al Quaida.
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I'm stuggling to find a reason as to why you took the time to post this. It would suggest that W has a history of making such claims, placing blame on a.Q. where it clearly does not apply.
Don't struggle too hard, you'll strain your brain.
Complaining about characterizing Dubya as placing inappropriate blame on A.Q. is the moral equivalent of complaining about appropriate blame being place on Dubya.
Answer the serious complaints soberly and seriously or as neocons are fond of telling everyone else post election, shut up.
Whining because Dubya is attracting criticisms for failed leadership is just pathetic.
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Hardware
I made the simple request that you present some examples, and you balked. That right there speaks volumes.
Quote:Sorry, but I've yet to see where W has 'failed ' when it comes to leadership. I don't agree w/ him on every issue, but for his over all performance, and in light of there being no better alternative, President Bush is far from being a failure in the leadership dept.
Whining because Dubya is attracting criticisms for failed leadership is just pathetic.
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Hardware
I made the simple request that you present some examples, and you balked. That right there speaks volumes.
We've got to invade Iraq because Al Quaida is working in cooperation with Saddamn Hussein. Iraq is supporting Al Quaida.
Doesn't this sound familiar? That's what Dubya's administration harped about in an attempt to drum up grass roots support for the invasion.
And I suppose you've completely slept through 3 years of fear mongering by the white house? Get a clue. If you let terrorists or those who profit from terrorists actions hound you into being afraid then the terrorists have already won. Not one of the alert elevations have borne one scrap of evidence of an action by AQ.
Now, please explain why you had to whine about Dubya getting flack for 4 years of bumbling and do-nothing leadership? As far as I can see all he's accomplished is getting thousands of Americans killed or disabled and sunk us so deep into debt that your grandchildren will be paying off debts incurred during Dubya's time.
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Two - I am really preplexed at the comment about the press giving the [ conservatives ] a free pass at anything. The Press is undeniably Left wing. If they can't even make up anything to bash Bush about ( See Dan Rather ), then you KNOW there's nothing there.
I always laugh at comments like this. So, here's a viewpoint from outside your war mongering nation.
The left says that the media is right and the right says the media is left. How can this be?
Well, from observation living in your "great" country as well as living outside again (thank the gods), I've noticed that, if what the media says is even slightly left of the right, that's it, they're left wing nuts, etc, etc, etc. Similarly for the left.
The funny thing is that it is clear from anyone that has any distance from this, that the media is very right. In fact, your country, in general is very right.
Example: Canada will decriminalize pot in the future. We are now arguing over the details. So how does this have anything to do with the discussion at hand?
First off, you guys are freaking out over this from left to right, with pretty much no exceptions.
Secondly, I was watching our equivalent to CPAN, when people in the House of Commons were commenting on the bill.
Members from the Bloc, Liberals and NDP were all in favour of this bill. The Conservatives, our right - now even more extreme - only complaint about the bill was the amount of pot that would be legal to carry.
The bill called for about 30 grams to be legal whereas this man said it should only be 5 grams as no-one would need more than that for personal consumption.
So, even our extreme right is more left than your left. I find that funny and my point is proven.
You guys should really look more to the middle more often. It'll be better for domestic as well as forgien issues in the short and long term.
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...How do you figrue I shoved ...anyone? ... Clearly I presented it as a joke, as if to say .. " You'd have to be brain dead to actually blame this on Bush " It wasn't meant to apply to ANYONE.. (*note* I didn't even comment in the orignal post about Left/Right. ) But even the mouth breathers on the Left make more sense than that, right ?? But perhaps I spoke too soon. So, if the shoe fits....
Two - I am really preplexed at the comment about the press giving the [ conservatives ] a free pass at anything. The Press is undeniably Left wing. If they can't even make up anything to bash Bush about ( See Dan Rather ), then you KNOW there's nothing there.
You deserve a response, so here it is.
It looks to me like you innocently used one of the oldest debates tricks without realizing it, that of the strawman.
The reason this tactic is considered disreputable is because it takes advantage of the less thoughtful listeners' tendency to generalize.
For example, "Why, if Dan Rather got it wrong once, any and all of the evidence of favoritism, malfeasance, the abuse of privilege and suspect behavior by W must be false."
Can you detect the logical fallacy in this statement?
When somebody tries to trick me or my fellows with such tactics, I consider it an offense, a metaphorical "shove" in the political arena. And protestations of, "It's all in fun," are a frequent addendum by those who use the strawman and are called on it.
Now, it looks to me like you did not intend the thread title or your comments as such a tactic. But, as it so perfectly fits the mold, you need to understand that is how it is going to be perceived.
Second, it is my perception that the press gives those in power a free pass, the exceptions being remarkable to say the least. Whether this is due to sycophancy or incompetence, I neither know nor care. They may be doing their job, but they sure aren't doing it well. The belief that the press is a left/right wing mouthpiece is a demonstration that most folks do not have the training for objective analysis.
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Speaking of whacko-jobs I think Cravenreaver went off the deepend.
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Sorry for the late response here. I just wanted to point out in defense of AURaptor, that no specific acusations were made.
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...I was wondering if there were folks out in the world who really would try to lay the blame for this event on him.
Not when will the lefties say "Blah!" or anyone else specifically.
But to answer his question, Yeah I heard that the Terrorists websites have accused the US of detonating a nuclear device under the ocean at the fault in order to cause the Tsunami.
unfortunately I have not confirmed this due to lack of access to the terrorists network, which I guess is fortunate.
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I heard that the Terrorists websites have accused the US of detonating a nuclear device under the ocean at the fault in order to cause the Tsunami.
I heard a caller say this on a radio show, so I don't knowthe source but it certainly is makingthe rounds.
. Which just goes to show that there's no statement so insanely absurd that it won't find a receptive audience eventually.
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