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Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:55 PM


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U.S. Chamber of Commerce: Trump's actions have 'no place in a free and democratic society'




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Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:56 PM

Grow up Ted.


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Sunday, January 17, 2021 11:56 PM

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 11:59 PM

^ Idiot.


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Monday, January 18, 2021 4:48 PM

The second presidential impeachment of Donald Trump was “the most bipartisan impeachment in American history.”

PolitiFact rating: True. Trump’s second impeachment attracted more bipartisan support — 10 GOP floor votes in favor — than the impeachments of Andrew Johnson or Bill Clinton, or Trump’s first impeachment.

1) The impeachment of Andrew Johnson

When Johnson was impeached in 1868, no Democrat in the House supported the overall floor vote to impeach. In that vote, all but two Republicans voted for impeachment. The House went on to pass 11 specific articles of impeachment, along largely party-line votes. (Johnson was chosen as Lincoln's second V.P. in order to get votes from the few slave states that did not join the Confederacy. Johnson was a slave-owner and a "Democrat"*. Lincoln believed Johnson, as V.P., could appease slave-owners. Lincoln's plan failed because, once he was President, Johnson undid the hard work of Lincoln and the Northern Armies by granting pardons to all Southern slave-owners for their crimes against the United States.)

2) The impeachment of Bill Clinton

The impeachment of Bill Clinton in 1998 attracted less bipartisan support for the two of the four articles approved by the Judiciary Committee that went on to win approval on the House floor.

3) The first impeachment of Donald Trump

Article 1 against Trump in 2019 addressed abuse of power, focusing on Trump’s alleged efforts to strong-arm Ukraine into investigating Joe Biden. The article passed the Judiciary Committee on a party-line vote.

Article 2 focused on Trump’s efforts to block cooperation with Congress on its impeachment inquiry. This passed the Judiciary Committee by an identical party-line vote.

4) The impeachment effort against Richard Nixon

The impeachment of President Richard Nixon in 1974 didn’t make it to the House floor because Nixon resigned first. So it’s not directly comparable. But we can look at what happened in the House Judiciary Committee when it approved three articles of impeachment against Nixon.

Article 1, which focused on obstruction of justice, won support from six Republican committee members as well as all Democrats. That was about one-third of Republicans on the committee.

Article 2, which focused on abuse of power, also secured the support of six Republican committee members in addition to all Democrats.

Article 3, which focused on obstruction of Congress, received less bipartisan support, even though it passed the committee. This article saw two Democratic defections and only two Republicans joining with the Democratic majority.

Such votes make Nixon’s impeachment the previous high-water mark for bipartisanship, though again it’s not a case of apples-to-apples since we’ll never know what the floor vote would have looked like. That said, the number of committee Republicans joining Democrats for the Nixon impeachment was smaller than the number of overall House Republicans backing Trump’s second impeachment.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jan/13/jake-tapper/how-bipa
rtisan-was-vote-impeach-donald-trump-histo
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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THG
Monday, January 18, 2021 7:07 PM

US election misinformation ‘decreased by 73%’ after Donald Trump’s social media suspension

US election fraud misinformation has fallen by 73 per cent following the suspension of Donald Trump and key allies from Twitter and other social media platforms, a new study has found.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/technology/us-election-misinformation-
decreased-by-73-after-donald-trump-s-social-media-suspension/ar-BB1cRdEH


And that's how it's done. Stop the lie

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Monday, January 18, 2021 7:13 PM

“insurrections, treason, and the pardon power”

The Insurrectionists from January 6 are already asking Trump for pardons. Probably the only thing that would hold him back from doing so is his innate selfishness: what would be the benefit to *him*?

The thought that Trump could issue Got Out of Jail Free cards to the very people he incited to riot is mind boggling.

But it’s at least possible that he might not have the right to do so.

Article III, Section 2 of the Constitution provides that “The President … shall have the power to grant] reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, EXCEPT IN CASES OF IMPEACHMENT.”

That last bit isn’t just my emphasis. It’s also the emphasis placed on the quote in the discussion of the President’s pardoning power in The Federalist No. 74, which also discusses the right of the President to issue pardons in the cases of sedition and treason.

Federalist No. 74 envisions the President intervening in moments of societal peril so that “a well-timed offer of pardon to the insurgents or rebels may restore the tranquillity of the commonwealth.” While certainly not exactly on point, this is akin to Jimmy Carter’s pardon of Vietnam War draft dodgers – an attempt to heal a festering rift in society. www.justice.gov/pardon/vietnam-war-era-pardon-instructions

In the hypothetical noted by the Federalist papers, it defuses an imminent rupture. But that is exactly opposite to the case where the sedition has occurred precisely *because* of incendiary actions of the very President himself. In this case, take out Trump’s own incitement, and there is no riot or sedition.

Below is the entirety of the relevant discussion from Federalist No. 74:

More at https://angrybearblog.com/2021/01/insurrections-treason-and-the-pardon
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Wednesday, January 20, 2021 3:30 PM

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Tuesday, January 26, 2021 2:52 AM

Capitol rioter Garret Miller says he was following Trump's orders, apologizes to AOC for threat

A Texas man charged with invading the Capitol and threatening Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said Monday that he was effectively following then-President Donald Trump's orders when he joined a mob that stormed Congress on Jan. 6

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/capitol-rioter-garret-miller-s
ays-he-was-following-trump-s-orders-apologizes-to-aoc-for-threat/ar-BB1d59HF?ocid=msedgdhp


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Tuesday, January 26, 2021 3:16 AM

LOL

No he wasn't.


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