So..5 people are dead as a result of Chumps stunts to avoid prosecution and litigations
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The lawyer for the “QAnon shaman” who was part of the deadly siege of the Capitol last week publicly petitioned President Donald Trump on Thursday to pardon his client.
In an interview on CNN, attorney Albert Watkins said his client, Jacob Chansley, “felt like he was answering the call of our president” when he stormed the nation’s seat of government last Wednesday during a riot that resulted in the deaths of at least five people.
Watkins, Chansley’s attorney, said on Thursday that his client, “like a lot of other disenfranchised people in our country, felt very, very, very solidly in sync” with the president — suggesting Chansley was incited to storm the Capitol in Trump’s name.
“He felt like his voice was, for the first time, being heard,” Watkins said. “And what ended up happening, over the course of the lead-up to the election, over the course of the period from the election to Jan. 6 — it was a driving force by a man he hung his hat on, he hitched his wagon to. He loved Trump. Every word, he listens to him.” These words:
“If you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore,” Trump said. He also said that “you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.”
“We all have to understand that the words that were spoken by the president meant something, not just to my client. They meant something to a lot of people,” Watkins said in his interview.
“They listened to those words. And those words meant something to them. And they had a right to rely on the words of their president that was strewed forth worldwide,” he said. “And they did. And now they’re turning around [and] they’re getting arrested, as well many should be.”
Nevertheless, Trump “needs to stand up and own these people,” Watkins argued. “He has an obligation to them. He has an obligation to our nation. It’s not going to happen.”
Pressed by host Chris Cuomo on what exactly he would like Trump to do, Watkins replied: “Oh, give a pardon.”
Prosecutors also said Chansley had expressed his intention of returning to Washington, D.C., for President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration next week. But Chansley can't be there because of being in jail.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/15/attorney-qanon-shaman-trump-p
ardon-459608
Watkins went on to compare the president’s supporters who stormed the Capitol to the Jonestown cult members who committed mass suicide at their settlement in Guyana in 1978: “You know the only thing different here? There’s no Kool-Aid.” I laughed out loud. Drinking the Kool-Aid concisely describes the Texas Trumptards I know.
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Trump is the first President to have fewer jobs at the end of his term than at the beginning. So much for "The thing that Trump made an issue of was JOBS"
That's NOT TRUE.
If you're quoting, your 'source' is wrong, If you're pretending to quote, then you're wrong (both for inserting your fabrication into a quoted 'source' and for your made-up fact).
I'll give you one shining example of a president that lost jobs during his term: Hoover.
Do you want another one? Lincoln.
Even more, the numbers of employed should automatically go up with the population. So unemployment (or employment ) RATES are the figure to quote.
Nixon had higher unemployment at the end of his presidency. So did Truman, Eisenhower, Ford, and Regan. https://www.nytimes.com/1982/10/09/us/unemployment-under-presidencies-
since-depression.html
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Quote:My source was Signym for this quote: The thing that Trump made an issue of was JOBS, an issue that no other Republicans, and no Democrat, has touched, no matter how "woke" and "progressive" they are.
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Trump is the first President to have fewer jobs at the end of his term than at the beginning. So much for "The thing that Trump made an issue of was JOBS"
That's NOT TRUE.
If you're quoting, your 'source' is wrong, If you're pretending to quote then you're wrong (both for inserting you fabrication into a quoted 'source' and for your made-up fact).
I'll give you one shining example of a president that lost jobs during his term: Hoover. Another one? Lincoln.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64107&mid=1
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And as for your claim that Hoover and Lincoln lost jobs, 1kiki, show me your proof. It doesn't exist because neither President wanted to know. Only since World War II has the government routinely collected data on employment. So that means there is solid data on the last 13 presidents, including Trump, not all 45 presidents.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/02/bidens-claim-that-t
rump-will-be-first-president-with-negative-jobs-record/
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Sure, sure, SECOND. Tell us how the Civil War https://origins.osu.edu/article/down-and-out-again-america-s-long-stru
ggle-mass-unemployment and the Great Depression https://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1528.html were noted for their robust job growth. And ignore my link from the NYTimes about unemployment since WWII.
In fact - post some more lies!
After you ...
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Quote:Biden’s claim that Trump will be the first president with a negative jobs record
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Sure, sure, SECOND. Tell us how the Civil war and the Great Depression https://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1528.html were noted for their robust job growth. And ignore my link from the NYTimes about unemployment since WWII.
In fact - post some more lies!
After you ...
Here’s how the jobs records compare, with the presidents listed in the order of how many jobs were created. For presidents who did not take office in January, we started with the first month with a pay period on the 12th. Trump’s numbers are as of Biden’s debate comment.
Bill Clinton: 22.745 million jobs
Ronald Reagan: 16.322 million
Barack Obama: 12.503 million
Lyndon B. Johnson: 12.338 million
Jimmy Carter: 10.117 million
Harry S. Truman: 9.035 million
Richard Nixon: 8.911 million
John F. Kennedy: 3.804 million
Dwight D. Eisenhower: 3.218 million
George H.W. Bush: 2.617 million
Gerald R. Ford: 2.378 million
George W. Bush: 0.523 million
Donald Trump: -4.901 million
But these are just raw numbers. Given how the U.S. working-age population has increased dramatically over the last 75 years, let’s look at the records by the percentage gain in jobs during a presidency. Under that measure, here’s how the 13 presidents rank.
Harry S. Truman: +22 percent
Lyndon B. Johnson: +21.5 percent
Bill Clinton: +20.5 percent
Ronald Reagan: +18 percent
Richard M. Nixon: +13 percent
Jimmy Carter: +12.5 percent
Barack Obama: +9.5 percent
John F. Kennedy: +7 percent
Dwight D. Eisenhower: +6.5 percent
Gerald R. Ford: +3 percent
George H.W. Bush: +2.5 percent
George W. Bush: +0.5 percent
Donald Trump: -3.5 percent
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/02/bidens-claim-that-t
rump-will-be-first-president-with-negative-jobs-record/
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Sure, sure, SECOND. Tell us how the Civil War https://origins.osu.edu/article/down-and-out-again-america-s-long-stru
ggle-mass-unemployment and the Great Depression https://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1528.html were noted for their robust job growth. And ignore my link from the NYTimes about unemployment since WWII.
In fact - post some more lies!
After you ...
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:Even more, the numbers of employed should automatically go up with the population. So unemployment (or employment ) RATES are the figure to quote.
Nixon had higher unemployment at the end of his presidency. So did Truman, Eisenhower, Ford, and Regan. https://www.nytimes.com/1982/10/09/us/unemployment-under-presidencies-
since-depression.html
Next time you try to "refute' a post of mine, try addressing the facts I posted.
And btw, Trump isn't the *only* president to have lost jobs during his presidency. That's a crock that even your own source refutes by bringing up Hoover as an example. And even your own 'source' ducks the question about its truthiness.
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Quote:Trump's job creating record is the worst on record. Pay attention to the word "record". You can't actually compare records of Presidents from before the President started collected the data that makes up the record. If the President didn't count how many people were employed, there is no record, leaving only guesses. Imagine how hard it is to know who was the slowest marathon runner in history before there were stopwatches measuring the time. It is unknowable. Who is the worst President in history at creating jobs when jobs are not being measured? It is unknowable. But once there were records for jobs, Trump set a new record for worst.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Next time you try to "refute' a post of mine, try addressing the facts I posted.
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Yeah, you GUESS the Great Depression never happened, that there were no bread lines, or mass poverty, and Hoover was STELLAR!!
And even YOUR OWN SOURCE don't mention Hoover (though it does ...). And even YOUR OWN SOURCE backs up the claim (even though it doesn't ...).
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And btw, Trump isn't the *only* president to have lost jobs during his presidency. That's a crock that even your own source refutes by bringing up Hoover as an example. And even your own 'source' ducks the question about its truthiness.
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Quote:Donald Trump's proven record of job destruction is better than Herbert Hoover's opinions about how many jobs he destroyed. If there is a Presidential election between Trump vs Hoover, who would win based on jobs destroyed? At least Hoover didn't call on his true believers to overthrow FDR, so Hoover has got my vote. Also, Hoover was at FDR's Inauguration. Trump won't be at Biden's. Trump is the sorriest sore loser in American History.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Yeah, you GUESS the Great Depression never happened, that there were no bread lines, or mass poverty, and Hoover was STELLAR!!
Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Herbert Hoover in convertible automobile on way to U.S. Capitol for Roosevelt's inauguration, March 4, 1933, Library of Congress
https://www.loc.gov/resource/ppmsca.19179/
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Why are you even mentioning "Herbert Hoover's opinions" about his jobs record? There are plenty of historical and economic sources who do that.
Meanwhile ... let's get back to your ridiculous insistence that Trump has the worst jobs record OF ALL THE PRESIDENTS IN US HISTORY - a claim that even your 'source' couldn't stomach.Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Yeah, you GUESS the Great Depression never happened, that there were no bread lines, or mass poverty, and Hoover was STELLAR!!
And even YOUR OWN SOURCE don't mention Hoover (though it does ...). And even YOUR OWN SOURCE backs up the claim (even though it doesn't ...).Quote:
And btw, Trump isn't the *only* president to have lost jobs during his presidency. That's a crock that even your own source refutes by bringing up Hoover as an example. And even your own 'source' ducks the question about its truthiness.Quote:
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