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Russian dossier on Trump gaining credibility with law enforcement

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SIGNYM

Friday, January 1, 2021 3:01 AM

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I think THUGR is so easily influenced by the M$M that he actually forgot where his hysteria about Russia started. In 2014 is was prolly RUSSIA!UKRAINE! and when the media morphed the story to RUSSIA!TRUMP! his brain kinda morphed with it.

THUGR: Comrade sig tells us, instead of
trustingg what has been and is being reported now by the press, what has been and is being reported now by our intel agencies, what has been and is being reported now by our justice department, what has been and is being reported now by our Senate, what has been and is being reported now by our congress, we should believe what she finds posted ad hoc by nuts on the internet, which she then posts here. Or, believe her when she says it’s all not true.

THUGR, have any of them proven themselves trustworthy? Or have they flogged stories endlessly that EVEN YOU have learned were false?

Iraq WMD? Hello?

Yanno, in the run-up to GWB's Iraq invasion, I wrote to my Senator, Diane Feinstein, about what a load of hogwash "IRAQ WMD" was, and she (head of the Senate Intelligence Committee at the time) sent back a smarmy email which I still have in my files "explaining" that, well, as Chair of the Intelligence Committee, she had info that I didn't.

What she had was a load of hooey.

What possible motive do ANY of them have for telling you the truth?

These people are getting seriously rich doing what the lobbyists tell them to do. Do you think they're going to come clean on that?

Mike Pompeo, former director of the CIA, openly said "We lied, we cheated, we stole, (chuckles) we had entire training courses.. It* reminds you of the glory of the American experiment (laughter and applause)".

*Lying, cheating, and stealing reminds him off the glory of the American experiment?? That's almost as bad as "We came, we saw, he died (giggle)"

DON'T TRUST ANYONE. NOT THE M$M, NOT SOMEBODY ON YOUTUBE. Always check what is being reported against common sense, logic, and all available HARD EVIDENCE. Not gossip. Not "somebody said that somebody said"

You need to grow up and not entrust your brain to anyone else.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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THG

Friday, January 1, 2021 3:06 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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I think THUGR is so easily influenced by the M$M that he actually forgot where his hysteria about Russia started. In 2014 is was prolly RUSSIA!UKRAINE! and when the media morphed the story to RUSSIA!TRUMP! his brain kinda morphed with it.

THUGR: Comrade sig tells us, instead of trusting what has been and is being reported now by the press, what has been and is being reported now by our intel agencies, what has been and is being reported now by our justice department, what has been and is being reported now by our Senate, what has been and is being reported now by our congress, we should believe what she finds posted ad hoc by nuts on the internet, which she then posts here. Or, believe her when she says it’s all not true.

THUGR, have any of them proven themselves trustworthy?

Really, that’s what you’re going with. You’re not just any troll comrade. You’re a comedic troll. Thanks for the chuckle. Many times here I've explained your posts are subjective. I'll remind everyone what I mean by that. Subjective thinking is dependent on or taking place in a person's mind rather than the external world. In other words you're a nut.

T

SIGNYM

Friday, January 1, 2021 3:09 AM

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THUGR: Really, that’s what you’re going with?

REALITY, yep, that’s what I'm going with.
You?
"Trust the untrustworthy"?

Shit, THUGR, look at your thread title. That "dossier" has proven to be a load of hogwash.

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THG

Friday, January 1, 2021 9:36 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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THUGR: Really, that’s what you’re going with?

REALITY, yep, that’s what I'm going with.
You?
"Trust the untrustworthy"?

Shit, THUGR, look at your thread title. That "dossier" has proven to be a load of hogwash.

You obliviously don't understand how intelligence works or you don't care to be honest about it. I think it’s the latter. It is collected information from different sources used to create a hypothesis. Then like in science, if some aspects can't be proven wrong but have collaborative evidence, it makes them likely true. The sources used for the dossier are proven sources so they are going to be mostly correct. Not 100% correct but mostly. I have sourced the dossier to be 80% correct. Your information regarding this is the spin put out to discredit it; go figure.

T

An Investigative Reporter Explains Why The Trump-Russia Dossier Is Not 'Fake News'

SIGNYM

Saturday, January 2, 2021 3:57 PM

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THUGR: Really, that’s what you’re going with?

SIGNY: REALITY, yep, that’s what I'm going with.
You?
"Trust the untrustworthy"?

Shit, THUGR, look at your thread title. That "dossier" has proven to be a load of hogwash.

THUGR: You obliviously don't understand how intelligence works or you don't care to be honest about it. I think it’s the latter. It is collected information from different sources used to create a hypothesis. Then like in science, if some aspects can't be proven wrong but have collaborative evidence, it makes them likely true. The sources used for the dossier are proven sources so they are going to be mostly correct. Not 100% correct but mostly. I have sourced the dossier to be 80% correct. Your information regarding this is the spin put out to discredit it; go figure.

Much of the so-called dossier could not be verified by ANY investigation into the evidence. for example, the so-called "golden showers" incident could not be verified by any investigation into travel plans and hotel registries. And much of the information came from specious sources who have since been revealed.

Your Youtube video consists of a guy saying "the dossier is real" without ANY evidence to nack it up: no names, no dates, no flight logs or registries, no nothing. Pluse IT'S THREE YEARS OLD AND HAS SINCE BEEN DISPROVEN, BY MUELLER, OF ALL PEOPLE!

Seriously, THUGR, just because someone stands in front of a camera in a nice suit and speaks authoritatively with a British accent, doesn't make his unverified assertions true. The "dossier" has been gone over with a fine-tooth comb, and it has evaporated under examination.

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An Investigative Reporter Explains Why The Trump-Russia Dossier Is Not 'Fake News'

Not much "investigation" going on there.

But my beef with the intelligence agencies isn't just with the so-called "dossier"

They extraordinarily-renditioned and tortured and swore they didn't, and they conducted massive illegal surveillance (as revealed by Snowden) on the American people and swore they didn't do that, either. They lied to, cheated on, and stole from the American people on MANY occasions.

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THG

Saturday, January 2, 2021 7:35 PM

Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified'

A. The BBC has learned that US officials "verified" a key claim in a report about Kremlin involvement in Donald Trump's election - that a Russian diplomat in Washington was in fact a spy.

B. One former senior official who saw these reports told me: "It was found to be of value by the people whose job it was to look at Russia every day.

C. "They said things like, 'How can he get this so quickly? This fits exactly with what we have.' It was validated many times."

D. Another who dealt with this material in government said: "Sometimes he would get spun by somebody. [But] it was always 80% there."

E. "A leading Russian diplomat, Mikhail KULAGIN, had been withdrawn from Washington at short notice because Moscow feared his heavy involvement in the US presidential election operation… would be exposed in the media there."

F. "This is a three-headed operation," said one former official, setting out the case, based on the intelligence: Firstly, hackers steal damaging emails from senior Democrats. Secondly, the stories based on this hacked information appear on Twitter and Facebook, posted by thousands of automated "bots", then on Russia's English-language outlets, RT and Sputnik, then right-wing US "news" sites such as Infowars and Breitbart, then Fox and the mainstream media. Thirdly, Russia downloads the online voter rolls.

G. The voter rolls are said to fit into this because of "microtargeting". Using email, Facebook and Twitter, political advertising can be tailored very precisely: individual messaging for individual voters.

"You are stealing the stuff and pushing it back into the US body politic," said the former official, "you know where to target that stuff when you're pushing it back."

This would take co-operation with the Trump campaign, it is claimed.

H. "If you need to ensure that white women in Pennsylvania don't vote or independents get pissed in Michigan so they stay home: that's voter suppression. You can figure what your target demographics and locations are from the voter rolls. Then you can use that to target your bot."

This is the "big picture" some accuse the FBI of failing to see.

I. For instance, the US intelligence agencies said last October that the voter rolls had been "scanned and probed" from a server in Russia.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39435786

Remember I recently posted the dossier contributed to a hypothesis. Mueller laid out 10 obstruction of justice charges against Trump While he was investigating Trump and members of Trumps teams' connections to Russia.

The gist of the Steele dossier, what the dossier illustrated, is Russian ties to Trump and some of his staff, their collaborating with each other, and election interference. Specific points of the dossier may be off, but what the dossier tried to elaborate has been proven in courts of law. Nine of Trumps cronies were convicted of lying about this and their ties to Russia are indisputable.

Of course comrades Sig and kiki would have us believe otherwise. Personally, I don't put much stock in what Russian collaborators say. There's nothing more degusting than a Polish Russian collaborator. In Poland they're identified as gutter rats. In America they're identified as gutter rats.

SIGNYM

Sunday, January 3, 2021 3:44 AM

I just had to come back to this pile of dogshit ...

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Originally posted by THG:
Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified'

F. "This is a three-headed operation," said one former official, setting out the case, based on the intelligence: Firstly, hackers steal damaging emails from senior Democrats.

When? How? The only theft of "damaging emails" was because of PELOSI, when she let Imran Awan (Congressional email "security consultant") control and access too many accounts, and then he fled back to Pakistan

https://m.theepochtimes.com/the-awan-it-scandal-put-congressional-data
-at-risk_2489845.html

Now, if this is a sideways reference to the DNC "email hacks", even Crowdstrike told the Senate (in secret testimony just recently made public) was that there was NO EVIDENCE that Russia "stole" the emails.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020/05/13/crowdstrike_president_und
er_oath_no_proof_of_russia_dnc_hack_510974.html#!

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Secondly, the stories based on this hacked information

WHICH stories? DNC emails appeared directly on Wikileaks. There was no need to generate "stories" when one could access the emails directly

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appear on Twitter and Facebook, posted by thousands of automated "bots", then on Russia's English-language outlets, RT and Sputnik, then right-wing US "news" sites such as Infowars and Breitbart, then Fox and the mainstream media.

Again, WHICH stories? Were they untrue?

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Thirdly, Russia downloads the online voter rolls.

G. The voter rolls are said to fit into this because of "microtargeting". Using email, Facebook and Twitter, political advertising can be tailored very precisely: individual messaging for individual voters.

EVIDENCE? I never got any. Neither did anyone I know. I know there was quite a push to designate ANY story an ANY website that didn't follow the mainstream narrative as questionable, but as far as I can tell most of these designations were utterly baseless... except RT and Sputnik, of course, which are openly funded by the Russian government

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This would take co-operation with the Trump campaign, it is claimed.

HOW? What does the Trump campiagn have anything to do with Facebook or Twitter or RT?

This is just another list of illogical, evidence-free accusations. They make no attempt whatsoever to provide any evidence, or even to make sure that their story makes any sense.

It's just stupid.

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THG

Sunday, January 3, 2021 7:57 PM

You can’t sell it Sig.

Your first source is the Epoch Times. A far-right newspaper and media company. They are affiliated with the Falun Gong new religious movement. I know about them and it isn’t good. For one thing, they believe Trump was sent by god. If your sources are nuts Sig, then so are you.

As for your second source claiming CrowdStrike could not prove the Russian hack, so what. I don't recall them ever claiming they could. Bottom line, our intelligence agencies proved them right.

You ask what Trump had to do with facebook, twitter and RT. We know Trumps campaign staff helped feed Russia the information they needed to pull this off. They told the Russians what areas to target. "If you need to ensure that white women in Pennsylvania don't vote or independents get pissed in Michigan so they stay home: that's voter suppression. You can figure what your target demographics and locations are from the voter rolls. Then you can use that to target your bot."

"This is a three-headed operation," said one former official, setting out the case, based on the intelligence: Firstly, hackers steal damaging emails from senior Democrats. Secondly, the stories based on this hacked information appear on Twitter and Facebook, posted by thousands of automated "bots", then on Russia's English-language outlets, RT and Sputnik, then right-wing US "news" sites such as Infowars and Breitbart, then Fox and the mainstream media. Thirdly, Russia downloads the online voter rolls.

I’ll say it again. I don’t give credence to what Russian calibrators say.

T

THG

Saturday, June 12, 2021 6:51 PM

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I think this thread is a bit ahead of its time. Maybe it will pick up when the investigation is finished.

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1KIKI

Saturday, June 12, 2021 10:02 PM

Either that or you've been diddling yourself for over 4 years. Get a hobby. Get a life.