Need Answers About "Dune"

POSTED BY: dietcoke
UPDATED: Friday, January 7, 2005 23:51
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NEDWARD

Friday, January 7, 2005 8:34 PM

Get thee to a library: Dune is deservedly a classic. Dune Messiah and Children of Dune are similarly good and similarly well adapted (together, as the six-hour thing called "Children of Dune"). The other three books get somewhat more weird, so YMMV with those.

Herbert's son and genre stalwart Kevin J. Anderson are indeed writing "Dune 7" from Herbert's notes, but I'm not holding my breath. They've already written two prequel trilogies from Herbert's notes, and to me they're not impressive. They fit okay in the universe, and they're decent enough tales, but they're not in the same league. And there's something about Anderson's writing style that annoys me; I wish I could put my finger on it.

And yes, as noted above, Paul wasn't the Kwisatz Haderach. Whether or not he's "the messiah" depends on how you might define that in the Duniverse, and part of what I like about Herbert's writing is how often he shakes up definitions and meanings.

My two grains of melange.

THATWEIRDGIRL

Friday, January 7, 2005 8:43 PM

all my dune books, even the new books by his son, are on my pda. all of them. i say download them so you can read them anytime anywhere. That's what i do.

www.thatweirdgirl.com

THATWEIRDGIRL

Friday, January 7, 2005 8:48 PM

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Originally posted by nedward:
They've already written two prequel trilogies from Herbert's notes, and to me they're not impressive. They fit okay in the universe, and they're decent enough tales, but they're not in the same league. And there's something about Anderson's writing style that annoys me; I wish I could put my finger on it.

I think i know what it is. It's their annoying way they keep saying the same thing over and over. Herbert just assumed you read the story and were payig attention. These guys have to keep reminding you that something happend. It's an insult to our intelligence as Dune readers. But, at least its a somewhat enjoyable story. The cymeks trouble me. And so do the sorceress. Do I need to know about the wormrider at this point? I don't know. It's just odd.

www.thatweirdgirl.com

DIETCOKE

Friday, January 7, 2005 9:19 PM

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Originally posted by thatweirdgirl:
all my dune books, even the new books by his son, are on my pda. all of them. i say download them so you can read them anytime anywhere. That's what i do.

www.thatweirdgirl.com

Where do you download them?

ANGUSTHERMOPYLE

Friday, January 7, 2005 11:24 PM

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Originally posted by dietcoke:
I just watched the mini-series "Dune" and really enjoyed it. I can't wait to read the book. I was a bit confused toward the end when Paul tells his mother that he is the grandson of (can't remember the name.) It was supposed to be very important that he was the grandson of this person. Who was his grandfather and why was it important?

Also, did Paul marry the emperor's daughter at the end? I wasn't clear on that either.

Thanks for for your help.

Paul is the grandson of Baron Vladimir Harkonnen (that's pronounced Hark O nen, not Haran'n, like in the series), his mother is the Baron's daughter, but she didn't know that. His other grandfather was Duke Paulus Atreides on his father's side.

You really should've read the novels first. Dune is the best Sci-Fi novel ever written, in my opinion. It's not the easiest of reads, but it is extremely rewarding. The political machinations and schemes within schemes are very complex and brilliantly written. The same can't be said for the prequels written by Herbert's son and Kevin J Anderson, which are fairly mundane.

I must not fear, fear is the mind-killer.

ANGUSTHERMOPYLE

Friday, January 7, 2005 11:27 PM

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Thanks for the clarification. So, Paul never was the messiah? It was all a way for Lady Jessica to get her son in a position of power? Did he think he was the messiah? Where did his visions of the future initially come from?

This was a very complex show, I know I need to read the book.

1. Not the messiah. That becomes clear in the next mini-series. Don't wanna spoil it for you.

2. No. It was not Lady Jessica's intent to subvert the plans of the Sisterhood or seize power for her son. Instead she fell in love with Leto and Leto wanted a son and heir so badly she could not deny him.

3. I like to think that he was a potential messiah. He had all the right bloodlines and was one generation removed from being born the messiah. I think that means that he needed to take the final steps himself. Watch the next series (or at least part one of the next series) and you'll see what happens and get many of the answers you seek. Then we can discuss without spoilerizing it for you.

H

The daughter was supposed the fix the breach between House Harkonnen and House Atreides and she would bear the Kwisatz Hadderach who the Bene Gesserit hoped to control. Has anyone actually read the novels?

May none of your pizzas have unfortunte toppings.

NEDWARD

Friday, January 7, 2005 11:31 PM

As Mal said in Out of Gas, "Take your prequel and go!"

DIETCOKE

Friday, January 7, 2005 11:40 PM

Well I knew Dune was going to be a challenge to read, like "Lord of the Rings" was for me. So I thought if I watched the movie first it would help me when I was reading the book. I was really glad I saw the movie, "Lord of the Rings," before I read the book.

Now granted, I did not think the mini-series was a great film (low score on the acting and pacing)but I thought it was a really intriguing story.

So, like "Lord of the Rings," I am sure I will like the book better, even though I really loved the Peter Jackson's movie!

I'll let you know what I think after I read the book. I may need some help as I read it!

ANGUSTHERMOPYLE

Friday, January 7, 2005 11:51 PM

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Originally posted by dietcoke:
Well I knew Dune was going to be a challenge to read, like "Lord of the Rings" was for me. So I thought if I watched the movie first it would help me when I was reading the book. I was really glad I saw the movie, "Lord of the Rings," before I read the book.

Now granted, I did not think the mini-series was a great film (low score on the acting and pacing)but I thought it was a really intriguing story.

So, like "Lord of the Rings," I am sure I will like the book better, even though I really loved the Peter Jackson's movie!

I'll let you know what I think after I read the book. I may need some help as I read it!

Yep, you'll love it. I'd have to say I found it easier going than Lord Of The Rings, but that was mainly as the language became more antiquated in the Two Towers then even more in Return Of The King. Funny, I started reading Fellowship about 13 years ago or more, but found the writing a little too childlike - boy does it change as the story gets darker.

May none of your pizzas have unfortunte toppings.

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