"Am I a Lion?"..."No that aint it at all..."

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Originally posted by TinyTimm:
Rivers action show the use of a pistol as a training aid. Like the staff of the martial artist the end is watched because it amplifies the actions of the person doing the exercise. You may not see the hand wavier, but the end of the 6 foot pole will.
River wasn't efficiently killing people. She was demonstrating another skill entirely.

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Oh, she was killing efficiently alright. She and Kaylee were in danger and some programmed instinct seemed to kick in. She picked up the gun, looked at both targets to judge range and she fired two rounds, terminating two targets. Yes, this was a skill, a skill that she did not have before the Alliance doctors experimented on her. This was a result of programming.

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Originally posted by Soule:
Simon: "Are you Alliance?"
Early: "Am I a lion? I don't think of myself as a lion. You might as well though. I have a mighty roar."

(later...)

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I'll go with the dissociative, slightly hard of hearing thing here. He just plain heard wrong. Nothing complicated.

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Simon: "So you're a bounty hunter."
Early: "No, that ain't it at all. I'm a Bounty Hunter."

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He said, "No, that ain't it at all. I'm a body hunter." Which is more sinister. He didn't see himself as looking for bounty (the reward), but for bodies (the people). He LIKED hunting people, is what he was saying. The bounty is just a nice perk.

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I don't think he said that. It sounded like "bounty hunter" to me, and close captioning said "bounty", not "body". I think he's just crazy. I like the theory someone posted earlier that he doesn't listen to anyone except to get the very basics to get the job done.

Something else that I thought was strange... the interaction with Inara. She said "I know you're tired" which by itself seemed very strange. He was talking about finding river, and she says "I know you're tired." I don't get it. Then he says "don't go visiting my intentions. don't you ever." they both seem to totally understand that. I was left going "what the... huh?"

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bobknaptor wrote:
Tuesday, January 14, 2003 12:59
I don't think he said that. It sounded like "bounty hunter" to me, and close captioning said "bounty", not "body". I think he's just crazy. I like the theory someone posted earlier that he doesn't listen to anyone except to get the very basics to get the job done.

Something else that I thought was strange... the interaction with Inara. She said "I know you're tired" which by itself seemed very strange. He was talking about finding river, and she says "I know you're tired." I don't get it. Then he says "don't go visiting my intentions. don't you ever." they both seem to totally understand that. I was left going "what the... huh?"

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I think that both of these conversational quirks just continue to drive home the wonderful idea that Joss is a genious. The man has done what very, very few authors can do: provide exposition, without providing exposition.

Let's first look at Jubal & Simon's exchanges, (ie, alliance/lion, the bounty hunter repeat). I think that we are givin in those two brief remarks tons of background into Early's life. I also think that, while Joss may have had specific ideas in mind about Jubal Early, the way he left it open to interpretation allows every viewer to come up with his/her own idea of Jubal's history. Mirrored with our suppositions is Simon's own; we are left with the same impressions as he, and are therefor allowed to empathize with him.

With his conversation with Inara, I think we get a similar look at him ... more uncertain depth. However, I think we also get a wonderfully deeper look at Inara. I thought instantly that her remark ("I know you're tired") implied some sort of training (presumably at the companion's acadamy) in hostage/crime negotiations.

And yes, with both conversations, Joss never says anything specific about any of these characters, he never divulges any specific exposition... he just lets their own idiosyncratic conversational styles tell the story of the characters' histories.

Damn, Joss is a frickin' genious.

By the way, there really *was* a Jubal Early - a General in the civil war. Check out a little history here: http://www.jubalearly.org/

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To me the "conversational quirks" were meant to demonstrate that Jubal was a little strange after being cooped up in that tiny little space craft for long periods of time. Granted, it is part of the job (its why he took the job - loved that exchange). The Firefly universe does gloss over the vastness of space a bit so how long he was on that ship to reach them is a guess. But it was what struck me before he opened his mouth - that tiny little ship he had all by himself. Some of those other little "flashbacks" about the dog and who knows what else was going through his mind.

Oh, and I saw this thread after searching for Jubal's lines and was amazed to see a thread from 2003 about it! I had to check - I could have sworn Firefly came out closer to 2005 or something. Still a long time. Don't kill me for bumping this thread, please.

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Don't apologize for bringing up an old thread. That's one of the great things about this site, it has a long and rich history, seeing as how it began even before the "Official Board" that was sponsored by FOX, and it still survives long after that one bit the dust.

This thread started about a year before I came aboard, shortly after the DVDs were released, but I don't recall seeing it before. There are only three posters I recall who were active in 2004, and two of those still drop in occasionally.

I'm sure I've watched "Objects in Space" at least a dozen times, maybe more than twenty, but I need to go back again just to see if Jubal said "body" the second time instead of "bounty." Never heard it that way.

EDIT: I pulled the Firefly Companion, Volume 2 off the shelf, flipped to the script for "Objects in Space." Since Joss wrote it, and I'm sure provided the publishers with the original script, it is likely to be accurate. In both instances Jubal said "bounty," so only a difference in inflection on his part would give us a clue as to why he would deny it in one sentence, then confirm it in the next. The scripts in the book are the originals, not just transcripts of the completed episode. Here's how it reads:

Simon: So you're a bounty hunter.

Jubal: That ain't it at all.

Simon: Then what are you?

Jubal: I'm a bounty hunter.

Simon: That's what I said.

Jubal: Yeah, but you didn't say it well. I'm named Early. I'm known to some - probably not your set, though. She sleep with anybody?

In the filmed version, Jubal does not say the first sentence of that last exchange, and the "probably not your set, though" was also cut. It seems Jubal did not like the tone of voice Simon used when he said "bounty hunter," he probably heard it in a condescending or critical tone.




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