A remarkable and nightmarish scene playing out in Portland should terrify anyone who cares about the US constitution
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:No. Mr Prude was spitting, which is also a threat, so they used and anti-spit hood on him. (I remember once when I worked at the county hospital I was coming in the employee entrance while the cops were hustings a lady out in handcuffs who was screaming at them 'I got hepatitis! Don't touch me!' She apparently was cruising the hospital during visiting hours, stealing from patients and visitors and drug carts and so on. They found a whole pack of needles and syringes strapped to her thigh, among other things.)
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No answers, but a few questions...
Do you think that handcuffs automatically make a person a zero threat?Quote:Oh, absolutely. More than once! The most memorable because it was so unexpected was when a guy attacked me on a quiet empty Sunday-morning street with no one and no houses nearby. So flight was not an option. I found bruises the next day I didn't even know I was getting at the time. But I 'won' by not falling down or giving up my purse, and after punching me multiple times (at the time I thought he was shoving me) he literally ran off screaming in frustration. At the time I sized him up as only a bit bigger and stronger than me, and not carrying a weapon, so I felt reasonably capable.
Have you ever been a part of a physical altercation one time in your life?
The problem, Kiki, is that if we keep sending the message that cops can't do their jobs at all, then nobody will respect the authority of police and they will be emboldened to continually take things further and keep pushing that envelope until there is complete anarchy.
I actually was once like Marcos when it came to cops. If you look back on my OG posts when I first signed up for this site in the mid-2000's, I probably sounded quite a bit like him.
But then I grew up and realized how shitty your average person is and that more than half of them have no honor. There SHOULD be a reasonable level of fear when it comes to getting into an altercation with cops, because you can't apply the civility and respect for rules and other people that somebody like you or I would have to everybody.
Maybe in an alternate timeline where there were far less people on the planet, far more resources to go around, and far less greed at the tippy top we could live in that utopia, but that's just not the world we live in.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I just haven't found even one explanation for why cops should be using additional restraining methods once a person is in cuffs (aside from spit hoods). I'm more than willing to think about it and change my mind, but no one has proposed a single reason.
ETA: I'm not trying to make it hard for cops to do their jobs. I posted - more than once - that Rashard Brooks (the guy who took the Taser from a cop and pointed it at them) - was a threat and the cop acted in self defense.
I've been making one very specific and very limited point, which is questioning why additional restraints are used on people who are already in cuffs. In 2 very specific instances - George Floyd and Daniel Prude - the men were ALREADY in cuffs. WHY were they further restrained? Why shouldn't there be a 'bright line' at cuffing suspects, where further retraining measures like prone positioning etc are no longer allowed?
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My point is that handcuffs aren't some sort of magic bullet.
Did you see George Floyd? Dude was a beast.
Headbutts are still a thing. Kicking. Throwing your entire 200lb+ body into somebody.
Let's not forget he was on a cocktail of drugs too. If somebody is drugged out of their mind and/or not being compliant during the process (which George Floyd undeniably checked both of those boxes, as well as being a very formidable person), then there's no reason to think that they won't continue to behave erratically and continue to pose a physical threat.
My buddy was a lanky little shit back in the day who weighed 120lbs soaking wet and loved telling the story about when he got a DUI and really pissed off the cops by throwing his legs through his arms that were cuffed behind him when they weren't looking and they threw him up against the wall to recuff him and warned him against doing it again. He was no physical threat to anybody, even when not cuffed, but there are a lot of people out there who are, even when they are cuffed.
It's simple. People have to just not resist arrest. There's youtube videos out there explaining in full detail about how you should respond when being pulled over. They've even got videos about how to behave when you're pulled over and you have a gun in your possession. Both a legal gun and an illegal carry.
Nobody wants to get arrested, but if you're not in the wrong just go through the motions and you'll be fine. All of this shit is on video these days. If you're looking to get shot, then behave like an asshole.
It's really just Darwinism at some point.
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"Did you see George Floyd? Dude was a beast."
Put you hands behind your back - lock your fingers. Sit with your butt on the ground and your back against a wall. Now get up.
See the difficulty?
My crippled 90 year old grandma could keep you there, god rest her soul.
"My buddy was a lanky little shit back in the day who weighed 120lbs soaking wet and loved telling the story about when he got a DUI and really pissed off the cops by throwing his legs through his arms that were cuffed behind him ..."
DOOD. I ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT! Sheesh. What do you do for reading, nowadays? Your buddy - was certainly not representative of the majority of people for size or flexibility. And once out he was not going to threaten anybody physically, not even me, today, as an arthritic dumpy old lady. But there's a way to cuff little people so that doesn't happen, which is to pass the chain around a cuff to shorten it up (... as my retired cop friend tells me).
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
"Did you see George Floyd? Dude was a beast."
Put you hands behind your back - lock your fingers. Sit with your butt on the ground and your back against a wall. Now get up.
See the difficulty?
My crippled 90 year old grandma could keep you there, god rest her soul.
I dunno. I was able to squat sets of over 750 lbs when I was working out, and before I got laid off I was dragging around 2 1/2 ton pallets of water with a manual floor jack over a half mile total in between stacking 40 to 50lb packages onto 6 foot high interlocked stacks that wouldn't fall over for 8 1/2 hours a night after you take out breaks and lunch.
Firstly, you shouldn't apply your own physical abilities to everybody else. Even in the moment that you were in peak physical condition of your life, you've never even known what strength like George Floyd possessed actually is.
Another thing you're failing to consider is that there is more than one civillian involved in this equation in most cases. People in the car. People on the streets. And how many times to you see window tints that are far darker than the laws allow on top of it so they don't know what or who is in the vehicle they've pulled over.
That was my mistake when I got my ass hospitalized. Well, one of them. Thinking that my friends were going to be of any help if things went south was the other. I thought there were only two guys I had to worry about. One was a George Floydesque beast who at one point looked me dead in the eyes and said "I'm going back to jail tonight", but the other one was a lanky pussy I wasn't concerned too much about. I had 4 friends with me, and I was trying to avoid an altercation by talking down the situation.
Had I known that there were 4 of them and not just the two, and had I known that my friends were useless little bitches, I would have just gotten out of there and let that girl to whatever fate she deserved for having those people at her party in the first place, and I would have had a much greater sense of situational awareness and not gotten suckerpunched in the back of the head by somebody I didn't even know was part of the deal.
Getting shanked isn't fun. Having a catheter shoved up your nose and another one shoved up your pee-hole while an IV bag tube is shoved into an incision in your belly and then unceremoniously thrown to the floor to check for internal bleeding isn't either. And that's not even to mention how not-fun it is to be getting your ass kicked and hit so hard and with such frequency that the only option left to you is to try to roll yourself into a ball and cover your head, and you leave the scene completely unaware that you were even stabbed until you're driving away and your friend notices your bleeding all over your car seat.
I couldn't imagine what a thankless job it is to have to go into situations that could devolve into something similar all day long. Especially now when everybody in the country has an opinion about how you should be doing it.
Handcuffed or not, they shouldn't be expected to babysit somebody that they've put against a wall when there are other potential hostiles in the area. A thing that I'm sure any cop is thinking about quite often now after seeing footage of a midget walking right up to a squad car and firing shots into the window, execution style, with no warning.
Just get in the fucking back seat of the car and cool off. If you've done nothing wrong, you'll be fine.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:So now you're expert after having been stabbed. What do the numbers say about American police?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Getting shanked isn't fun. Having a catheter shoved up your nose and another one shoved up your pee-hole while an IV bag tube is shoved into an incision in your belly and then unceremoniously thrown to the floor to check for internal bleeding isn't either. And that's not even to mention how not-fun it is to be getting your ass kicked and hit so hard and with such frequency that the only option left to you is to try to roll yourself into a ball and cover your head, and you leave the scene completely unaware that you were even stabbed until you're driving away and your friend notices your bleeding all over your car seat.
I couldn't imagine what a thankless job it is to have to go into situations that could devolve into something similar all day long. Especially now when everybody in the country has an opinion about how you should be doing it.
Not just “a few bad apples”: U.S. police kill civilians at much higher rates than other countries
www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/
By the numbers: US police kill more in days than other countries do in years
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/the-counted-police-killings-us
-vs-other-countries
American police shoot, kill and imprison more people than other developed countries. Here's the data
www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/us/us-police-floyd-protests-country-comparisons
-intl/index.html
Rate of civilians killed by the police annually in selected countries, as of 2019
www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-coun
tries/
Police kill far more people in the U.S. than in most rich countries
www.axios.com/people-killed-by-police-by-country-us-shootings-204f3afd
-71af-4820-8610-ecd37e04e0a3.html
There are 545,000,000 results like the above at www.google.com/search?q=compare+police+killings+in+UK+with+us
6ix, in your painful story, what are we hoping to find here that equals the worth of a turd? That's a Jayne quote. There is no bag of money anyone comes away with after reading your story.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
So now you're expert after having been stabbed.
I know more than you do.
But then again, that could literally be said about anything. Any topic.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:6ix, there you go again with your delusions of superiority. Seek help, 6ix: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superiority_complex
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
So now you're expert after having been stabbed.
I know more than you do.
But then again, that could literally be said about anything. Any topic.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
What the World Could Teach America About Policing
Examples abound of reforms that are seen as “radical” in the United States.
Abolishing a police force is one challenge. Replacing it with something better is another.
Key to that challenge is revamping the training for prospective officers. Here, too, the U.S. can look to other countries for inspiration. In Germany, for example, police recruits are required to spend two and a half to four years in basic training to become an officer, with the option to pursue the equivalent of a bachelor’s or master’s degree in policing. Basic training in the U.S., by comparison, can take as little as 21 weeks (or 33.5 weeks, with field training). The less time recruits have to train, the less time is afforded for guidance on crisis intervention or de-escalation. “If you only have 21 weeks of classroom training, naturally you’re going to emphasize survival,” Paul Hirschfield, an associate sociology and criminal-justice professor at Rutgers University, told me.
Joachim Kersten, a senior research professor of criminology at the German Police University, told me that police training in Germany covers everything from how to respond to cases of domestic violence to how to disarm someone with a lethal weapon. In the latter case, he said, “the emphasis is not on using weapons or shooting.” Rather, trainees are encouraged to de-escalate, resorting to lethal force only when absolutely necessary.
This level of restraint isn’t unique to Germany—it’s a Europe-wide standard. In some European countries, the rules are stricter still:
More at www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/06/america-police-viole
nce-germany-georgia-britain/612820/
or
https://web.archive.org/web/20200714184351/https://www.theatlantic.com
/international/archive/2020/06/america-police-violence-germany-georgia-britain/612820/
6ix won't understand because he is so superior to everyone since his stabbing.
My own opinion is that European police trainers are with the trainees for enough years to know which ones should NEVER be allowed to make life/death decisions. They flunk those trainees who would murder citizens if they were in an American police force.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Put you hands behind your back - lock your fingers. Sit with your butt on the ground and your back against a wall. Now get up.
See the difficulty?
Quote:So ... I take it you haven't tried it. It's not a matter of strength, it's a matter of where your center of gravity lies and your lack of leverage.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Firstly, you shouldn't apply your own physical abilities to everybody else. Even in the moment that you were in peak physical condition of your life, you've never even known what strength like George Floyd possessed actually is.
Quote:So the answer is to put 4 cops on one person à la George Floyd, tying EVERYONE up for one person??
Another thing you're failing to consider is that there is more than one civilian involved in this equation in most cases.
Quote:So the answer is to put 4 cops on one person à la George Floyd, tying EVERYONE up for one person?
Handcuffed or not, they shouldn't be expected to babysit somebody that they've put against a wall when there are other potential hostiles in the area.
OH WAIT! I misunderstood! You think if the cops kill the person in handcuffs it's one less person to deal with! AHA! I got it now!
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