Is it such a bad thing?
POSTED BY: AngusThermopyle
UPDATED: Thursday, February 3, 2005 19:40
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I love Firefly. I love the whole idea of it. I love the fact that there are no weird looking aliens to remind you it's only a sci-fi TV show.
I have only just bought the DVD set and it was my first time seeing it. T'was exceedingly good. I'd recently borrowed all my girlfriend's Buffy sets and watched all seven series, back to back.
The reason I mention that, is because after watching Firefly I wondered where it might've ended up if it had been given the go-ahead to continue for another six series. Well, if Buffy is anything to go by - and Angel according to friends (I haven't seen series 5) - then I'd have to say I'm kind of glad it remains perfect and unspoiled.
I think Joss has a tendency to become preachy and somewhat patronising. Buffy was the perfect example: It started out as a fun, hip, show and ended up as some feminist propoganda thing. I'm not sure if this was Joss' intention, but that's what I and my girlfriend got. Any woman who refers to herself or other women as godesses is pretentious and slightly suspect in my opinion lol.
May none of your pizzas have unfortunte toppings.
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Oh no no no no no no no NO.
Coming here and posting that Joss is preachy and pretentious is NOT of the good. Please. ABSORB what you've seen. Look under the layers, listen to the voices of the characters.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer is one of, if not THE best television show to ever grace the airwaves.
Read up. Listen further, LOOK further.
Above all, do not bash The Joss here.
"Once, in flight school, I was laconic..."
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Angus, don't worry, Willowy is just pulling your leg. Go ahead and speak your mind, we Browncoats are made of stern stuff and you can probably expeect a tussle.
Can Joss be preachy and pretentious? Yeah.
Artsy-fartsy? Yup.
Silly. Scary. Downright baffling (you're a Thermopyle, you should like that!).
Thrilling, surprising, engrossing, geeky, sauve, shocking, moving. Uh-huh, all those things.
Boring? Never.
Now to the point, Is it so bad that there was only one year of Firefly?
My answer has to be an unequivocal yes. Making a second season wouldn't change what they already accomplished. This is one of those moral absolutes;
More Firefly == Good, Less Firefly == Evil
Maybe you can answer your own question, though. Are you gonna see our BDH in September?
Yeah, I know that you will 
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Originally posted by AngusThermopyle:
Buffy was the perfect example: It started out as a fun, hip, show and ended up as some feminist propoganda thing.
Are you taking the piss or are you for real?
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Welcome, AngusThermopyle, iconoclast 
Unlike you, I am unable to comment on the whole Whedon opus but appreciate the refreshing lack of adoration in your view.
I am sure that Firefly would have remained vigorous for several seasons, but I agree that the nascent quality of the existing episodes are a large part of their appeal to me.
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Originally posted by PurpleBelly:
...but I agree that the nascent quality of the existing episodes are a large part of their appeal to me.
I always knew there was a reason you're called PurpleBelly
Naw, I gotta agree, there's something to what you all are saying. Still, it's right there in the scriptures,
More Firefly == Good, Less Firefly == Evil
Hard to argue with that logic.
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Originally posted by Willowy:
[Above all, do not bash The Joss here.
I really do love the show, and would love to see more; however, the question is valid. Discussion forum, you see?
How sad is it when people answer messageboards using the vernacular of a TV show? Would've swore at you in Mandarin, but I don't speak it, unfortunately.
May none of your pizzas have unfortunte toppings.
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I love Buffy. But youve got a good point.
I mean what if Joss had chosen to blow up Serenity at the end of Season 3?
PsychicRiver
"Two by two, hands of blue." 
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Keep in mind (yes, I'm saying that again), keep in mind thatJoss was NOT the ONLY driving force behind Buffy in later seasons. He was the executive producer, but had Angel and Firefly at the same time, plus other various projects like Fray and such. Other personages had more or less taken over the wheel for the last part of Buffy, and yes, it DID get a little heavy handed at times, and Buffy herself got a bit over the top in the speechifying department.
But Joss himself had a lot less to do with Buffy in the later seasons than most people realize--much like Gene Roddenberry and Star Trek, other people were in charge.
--Jefé The Hat
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--Don't bother trying to predict, figure out, second guess, criticize, or suggest anything that comes from the mind of Joss Whedon, for you shall usually be wrong, and shall find out the Truth and Purpose in due time.
(This is the Truth of Whedoning)
"I like smackin 'em"--Jayne
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Originally posted by BadgersHat:
Keep in mind (yes, I'm saying that again), keep in mind thatJoss was NOT the ONLY driving force behind Buffy in later seasons. He was the executive producer, but had Angel and Firefly at the same time, plus other various projects like Fray and such. Other personages had more or less taken over the wheel for the last part of Buffy, and yes, it DID get a little heavy handed at times, and Buffy herself got a bit over the top in the speechifying department.
But Joss himself had a lot less to do with Buffy in the later seasons than most people realize--much like Gene Roddenberry and Star Trek, other people were in charge.
--Jefé The Hat
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--Don't bother trying to predict, figure out, second guess, criticize, or suggest anything that comes from the mind of Joss Whedon, for you shall usually be wrong, and shall find out the Truth and Purpose in due time.
(This is the Truth of Whedoning)
"I like smackin 'em"--Jayne
There is another point I'd like to make re the latter Buffy series. It started off with good against evil and ended up with evil fighting evil. You could make the "fight fire with fire" argument, but then you just get a bloody great big fire. It's a shame he didn't keep a tighter rein on it; but having said that, he wouldn't've let it happen if he wasn't satisfied, so he must've felt the same way. Either that or he didn't care so much with having his other projects.
I haven't seen the final series of Angel yet - the previous have been excellent, especially 2 - but friends who have said they were disappointed. I'm waiting for my girlfriend to get the DVDs when they come out next month (region 2).
The sleeper must awaken. Duke Leto Atriedes.
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