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Wednesday, August 12, 2020 7:24 AM

Kamala Harris, while totally the expected choice, is the worst choice Biden could have made.

He's a racist dude, and because he has no filter he says racist things on accident all the time. He's an establishment Democrat, which is not going to play well at all with the 30 and younger Democrat crowd. He's been a tough-on-crime politician for decades, personally responsible for the imprisonment of tens of thousands of black men for non-violent drug possession charges.

Kamala Harris does nothing to counter-balance any one of those things. In fact, aside from the fact she's female and black, she offers nothing to the 30 and under Democrat crowd that would much rather be voting for Biden if Sanders were on the ticket. And Donald Trump has release a lot of the non-violent offender black men that Kamala Harris has put behind bars during her tough-on-crime past.


Kamala Harris as Biden's pick is just another nail in the Biden candidacy coffin.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, August 12, 2020 7:29 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

One thing I heard discussed was that with mail-in voting, many people will be able to vote before the debates, making Biden's debate performance irrelevant.



Nah...

A majority of the people who are too lazy (or don't care enough) to go to the booth to vote are going to be too lazy (or not care enough) to ever get around to filling one of them out.

Of those that do, nobody is going to be doing it the day, week or month they get it mailed to them, and it will sit under a pile of junk mail. The debates might be one of the things that remind them that they even got it.



The only people who are going to be rushing to mail out their ballots early are people who are already 1000% in support of Not-Trump. They weren't going to be swayed to vote the other way no matter how bad the debates go for Biden or even be so demoralized that they wouldn't have done so.


I don't imagine the mail in ballot is going to have the effect the Democrats are hoping it will. All it's going to do is add to the confusion and we might not know for a long time who actually won unless Trump wins by a landslide like I predicted long ago and still predict today.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, August 12, 2020 7:58 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

One thing I heard discussed was that with mail-in voting, many people will be able to vote before the debates, making Biden's debate performance irrelevant.



Nah...

A majority of the people who are too lazy (or don't care enough) to go to the booth to vote are going to be too lazy (or not care enough) to ever get around to filling one of them out.

Of those that do, nobody is going to be doing it the day, week or month they get it mailed to them, and it will sit under a pile of junk mail. The debates might be one of the things that remind them that they even got it.



The only people who are going to be rushing to mail out their ballots early are people who are already 1000% in support of Not-Trump. They weren't going to be swayed to vote the other way no matter how bad the debates go for Biden or even be so demoralized that they wouldn't have done so.


I don't imagine the mail in ballot is going to have the effect the Democrats are hoping it will. All it's going to do is add to the confusion and we might not know for a long time who actually won unless Trump wins by a landslide like I predicted long ago and still predict today.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The last debates I watched were Nixon vs JFK, but I'll be cheering for Trump because I've got a lot of money depending on Trump winning. On the other hand, I'm not gonna vote for him because he is a fat dumb motherfucker who poor white trash find appealing.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, August 12, 2020 8:18 AM

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Or maybe those "Independent" voters are really dizzy, dithering nincompoops who actually vote for Democrats and Republicans.
Or maybe that 20% of ex-democrats are not voting for democrats - which is a problem for democrats, and why they lost state legislatures and governorships, as well as the US Senate and the House (only recently retaken).

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Wednesday, August 12, 2020 8:38 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

One thing I heard discussed was that with mail-in voting, many people will be able to vote before the debates, making Biden's debate performance irrelevant.



Nah...

A majority of the people who are too lazy (or don't care enough) to go to the booth to vote are going to be too lazy (or not care enough) to ever get around to filling one of them out.

Of those that do, nobody is going to be doing it the day, week or month they get it mailed to them, and it will sit under a pile of junk mail. The debates might be one of the things that remind them that they even got it.



The only people who are going to be rushing to mail out their ballots early are people who are already 1000% in support of Not-Trump. They weren't going to be swayed to vote the other way no matter how bad the debates go for Biden or even be so demoralized that they wouldn't have done so.


I don't imagine the mail in ballot is going to have the effect the Democrats are hoping it will. All it's going to do is add to the confusion and we might not know for a long time who actually won unless Trump wins by a landslide like I predicted long ago and still predict today.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The last debates I watched were Nixon vs JFK, but I'll be cheering for Trump because I've got a lot of money depending on Trump winning. On the other hand, I'm not gonna vote for him because he is a fat dumb motherfucker who poor white trash find appealing.




LOL

Dude. For the thousandth time, we already know that this version of yourself that you portray online is a rich guy who isn't voting for Trump but is going to be so happy about all of that extra money that they're going to get and have no plans on doing anything that they virtue signal about with.

Not even giving some of that money to Haken for keeping the lights on and giving you a site to post your bullshit everyday.

Why do you keep posting this? Do you think that everybody here hasn't read it yet?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, August 12, 2020 4:53 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
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Or maybe those "Independent" voters are really dizzy, dithering nincompoops who actually vote for Democrats and Republicans.
Or maybe that 20% of ex-democrats are not voting for democrats - which is a problem for democrats, and why they lost state legislatures and governorships, as well as the US Senate and the House (only recently retaken).

In Texas I know hundreds of Democrats who became Republicans. That is fine with me because the GOP will never pass an income tax to tap into my wealth. Since those same Democrats who turned to the GOP won’t pay for what they want from Texas government, they can’t have it, which is fine with me and my money, but poor little dimwits don’t understand why they can’t have what they want from government. To that I can only shrug. Too bad for them and their tragic inability to understand why.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, August 12, 2020 7:15 PM


And while you call everyone else stupid, you can't see what the most dimwitted have figured out - democrats are NOT an alternative to republicans.

And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

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Thursday, August 13, 2020 4:53 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

And while you call everyone else stupid, you can't see what the most dimwitted have figured out - democrats are NOT an alternative to republicans.

And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

I assume you are proposing a 3rd party alternative to Democrats and Republicans. Good luck with that idea. Maybe wiki can help you know why it fails in the USA, but not in other countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-party_system

Explanations for why a political system with free elections may evolve into a two-party system have been debated. A leading theory, referred to as Duverger's law, states that two parties are a natural result of a winner-take-all voting system.

Even the primary elections, where the politicians who will be Democratic candidates are selected, is a winner-take-all voting system, which would explain why the Democratic Party is the way it is. Minority opinions can't even be expressed within the Party because the people who have those opinions are filtered out and thrown away during the primary elections. Perhaps this is why Democrats are split into two parties, the left wing and the right wing Democrats, mirroring the national split between the GOP and the Democrats. The winner-take-all voting system in both primary and general elections doesn't allow third parties, with original ideas and better intentions, to take control of government.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, August 13, 2020 5:01 PM

Sometimes a Republican President can have a great idea that even a Democrat didn't think of:

President @realDonaldTrump: If I am victorious on November 3rd I plan to make permanent cuts to the payroll tax
3:46 PM · Aug 8, 2020·Twitter Media Studio
Video here, where Trump says Biden won't.
https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1292200472837795843

He wrote an Executive Order to delay until 2021 the collecting of the payroll tax. But, as Trump said, we should terminate the payroll tax. It’s regressive. We should get rid of it and simply fund Social Security out of general tax revenues, just like everything else. Why should it have a less reliable funding source than the Pentagon, after all?
www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/memorandum-deferring-payroll-t
ax-obligations-light-ongoing-covid-19-disaster
/

So that’s that. Get rid of the payroll tax and increase the personal and corporate income taxes to make up the revenue. At the same time, we can make a bonfire out of the bonds in the Social Security trust fund, televised on national TV for everyone to see. There would be no more ridiculous talk about Social Security “going bankrupt” or endless arguments about whether the trust fund is “real” or “fully funded over the 75-year window.” When it’s all over, we’d pay for Social Security (and Medicare) the same way everything else is paid for: through general purpose taxes. This would save Social Security and Medicare and ensure their full funding forever.

What are the bonds in the Social Security trust funds?
www.ssa.gov/news/press/factsheets/WhatAreTheTrust.htm
The Social Security trust funds hold money not needed in the current year to pay benefits and administrative costs and, by law, invest it in special Treasury bonds that are guaranteed by the U.S. Government. A market rate of interest is paid to the trust funds on the bonds they hold, and when those bonds reach maturity or are needed to pay benefits, the Treasury redeems them.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, August 14, 2020 4:18 PM

Noam Chomsky wants you to vote for Joe Biden and then haunt his dreams

I'm not much interested in his personality. I don't have any opinion. I'm interested in how things get done. And the way things get done is not by Biden having a religious conversion and saying, "Oh, we've got to really work on the climate." That's not what happened. The DNC probably hates the program, but they have no choice, because their popular base is not only demanding it, but is working constantly, hard, to force them to do it. That's politics. Not the personality of leaders. I don't know what's in his mind. I don't care, frankly.

The pandemic is providing an opportunity for choices about what kind of world will emerge from it. Very different choices. Those who essentially created the crisis and have given us 40 years of the neoliberal assault on the global population are working very hard, relentlessly, to ensure that what emerges will be a harsher version of what created this system. Other forces, ranging from what you see in the streets in the United States to the environmental movement to DiEM25 in Europe. Many other popular forces are trying to move towards a very different world.

Question: You have advocated for so long for a brutal honesty about the United States, about empire, about how capitalism works. I wonder, how do you think about having an honest view about your country and still finding love for your country?

Noam Chomsky: Depends which America you're talking about.

Are you talking about John Calhoun? Talking about the people who instigated the most vicious system of slavery in human history? Is that the United States? Or are you talking about the abolitionists?

Are you talking about Abraham Lincoln's Republican Party, which regarded wage labor as different from slavery only in that it was temporary, because being dependent on another person is an intolerable attack on human rights and dignity? That's one America. The other America is the robber barons, the slave owners, the people who destroyed Tulsa when a Black community was successful.

In the 1980s, there were the Reaganites who wanted to devastate and destroy and murder and slaughter in central America, who supported Apartheid until the last second. That's one America. There's another America of the people who dedicated themselves to go help and support the victims of our atrocities.

There's the SNCC workers, and there's Bull Connor.

There's two different Americas. So which one do you want?

More at https://the.ink/p/noam-chomsky-wants-you-to-vote-for

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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