Some Covid-19 thoughts
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Quote:In the early 20th century the American South was ravaged by pellagra, a nasty disease that produced the “four Ds” — dermatitis, diarrhea, dementia and death. At first, pellagra’s nature was uncertain, but by 1915 Dr. Joseph Goldberger, a Hungarian immigrant employed by the federal government, had conclusively shown that it was caused by nutritional deficiencies associated with poverty, and especially with a molasses and corn-based diet.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No more time to waste on dumb Karens tonight, I'm afraid.
However, for decades many Southern citizens and politicians refused to accept this diagnosis, declaring either that the epidemic was a fiction created by Northerners to insult the South or that the nutritional theory was an attack on Southern culture. And deaths from pellagra continued to climb.
Sound familiar?
We’ve known for months what it takes to bring Covid-19 under control. Most advanced countries have done it. A few countries, like New Zealand and South Korea, have largely or completely defeated the coronavirus. But the United States is exceptional, in a very bad way.
www.discovermagazine.com/health/the-american-souths-deadly-diet
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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To be accurate, the article doesn't mention SARS-CoV-2 at all, or draw any parallels.
And it's not true that we 'know' how to deal with it except by throwing everything including the kitchen sink at it. What truly works, versus what's excessive, or mere voodoo, is still open for debate.
There's one model that indicates superspreaders and superspreading events are responsible for virtually all outbreaks, and that most cases of COVID-19 will transmit to none, one, or maybe 2 people, before hitting a natural stop, and dying out.
That explosive superspreading describes Wuhan, Italy, and NYC very well, and those superspreading events do seem to require extreme measure to stop.
It doesn't at all match the inexorable rise of cases seen elsewhere, like in California, where, one presumes, enough measures have been enforced well-enough to halt the transmission chain over time. One presumes no superspreading events are taking place. And according to that model, it should either explode, or die out - there's no room for persistently increasing, in-between community-based spread with transmission barriers in place.
California might be a good natural test-case for mask-wearing as a public health strategy. There was enough variation between counties - with at least one county (Orange County, SoCal) where the health officer quit due to death threats over mask-wearing requirements - that (I believe) Governor Newsom decided to put some uniformity and backbone into the requirement and made it statewide. (It had previously been a recommendation, with some counties making it a requirement, and others not.) So hopefully we'll have some good information on whether or not that particular tactic works in this non-superspreading condition as California continues to open back up.
SK followed the tactics of border closure, mask-wearing, widespread testing, contact tracing, and MANDATORY 14-day quarantine for those testing positive as well as for their contacts. But the contact tracing isn't going well in the US, and I believe the virus is too widespread for that approach to work on the virus. (Contact tracing is a tried-and-true approach for STDs, for example, but I think it's only relevant when the number of contacts is low, and/ or the number of cases is low.)
Herd immunity doesn't seem to be working in Sweden, where, despite very high numbers of fatalities compared to other countries, population exposure/ potential immunity stands at only about 14%.
'Protecting vulnerable populations' is some vague aspirational goal, which I think has not much relevance to the US where 45% of people are hypertensive, and, therefore, vulnerable.
So ... no, except for the most draconian measures blanket-imposed, no one really knows what it takes, exactly, to stop SARS-CoV-2.
But if you have different information, I would welcome you bringing it forward.
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Quote:I don't think Germany will be impressed with your insights. Maybe Germany should follow Trump's exemplary leadership: When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
To be accurate, the article doesn't mention SARS-CoV-2 at all, or draw any parallels.
And it's not true that we 'know' how to deal with it except by throwing everything including the kitchen sink at it. What truly works, versus what's excessive, or mere voodoo, is still open for debate.
In Germany, from Jan 28 to 3:50pm CEST, 22 June 2020, there have been 190,359 confirmed cases of COVID-19 with 8,885 deaths in a population of 83.8 million.
https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/de
German Chancellor Angela Merkel has prioritized tracking infection chains as the key to slowing the spread of COVID-19, and she aims for the country to have one tracer per 4,000 people. That's 20,000 tracers. Then what happens? "You'll be under quarantine for 14 days, effective immediately. This means no visitors, no going to your mailbox, no going to the supermarket. Do you have someone who can pick up groceries for you? If not, we provide that service, too."
www.npr.org/2020/06/19/880754400/germanys-contact-tracers-factor-in-co
untrys-success-battling-covid-19-pandemic
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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In other words, the SK model, except mask-wearing in Germany is compulsory, while in SK it's enforced by social disapproval for those who go without.
Which worked until now, when a slaughterhouse coughed ~1,300 cases into the population. So whether or not Germany has a handle on it remains to be seen.
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Quote:Perhaps Germans would get better results if they took it easier, made it a joke? Trump takes the easy road, makes it a joke: "Instead of 25 million tests, let's say we did 10 million tests, we'd look like we were doing much better because we'd have far fewer cases. You understand that. I wouldn't do that, but I will say this: we do so much more than other countries it makes us in a way look bad but actually we're doing the right thing." The man is a workaholic, coming up with genius level ideas. Oh, what I meant is that Trump is lazy and his ideas are stupid.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
In other words, the SK model, except mask-wearing in Germany is compulsory, while in SK it's enforced by social disapproval for those who go without.
Which worked until now, when a slaughterhouse coughed ~1,300 cases into the population. So whether or not Germany has a handle on it remains to be seen.
www.cnn.com/2020/06/23/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-campaign-test
ing/index.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Strange you should suggest something that Trump is doing.
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Quote:What is Trump "doing"?
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Strange you should suggest something that Trump is doing.
Is Trump wearing a mask? No.
Does Trump want more testing? No. He wants less.
www.cnn.com/2020/06/22/politics/trump-coronavirus-testing-joke/index.h
tml
Is Trump recruiting 100,000 contact tracers to locate those who have been in close contact with people who tested positive for Covid-19? No. We know he has the authority, just like he hired 500,000 Census Takers for 2020.
www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2020/2020-recruitment.html
Is Trump quarantining? No. Trump's federal coronavirus quarantine isn't happening.
www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-s-enforceable-coronavirus-quaranti
ne-was-legally-dubious-what-can-ncna1174546
What is Trump "doing"? Nothing but running his mouth. He does not get credit for "doing" unless it only gets done because he ordered it and he stands behind his orders, enforcing them. Trump blathering is not the same as "doing".
Trump is "doing" something. He tried to infect a crowd in Tulsa. More rallies, please!
www.cnbc.com/2020/06/22/coronavirus-2-more-trump-campaign-rally-staffe
rs-test-positive-for-covid-19.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Today's News from Germany: The German state of North-Rhine Westphalia has imposed a new lockdown in the area around a meat processing factory hit by a coronavirus outbreak.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
In other words, the SK model, except mask-wearing in Germany is compulsory, while in SK it's enforced by social disapproval for those who go without.
Which worked until now, when a slaughterhouse coughed ~1,300 cases into the population. So whether or not Germany has a handle on it remains to be seen.
The state's Prime Minister Armin Laschet announced that the entire district of Guetersloh -- home to more than 360,000 people -- would be locked down for the next seven days.
Laschet said the new lockdown would mirror the measures imposed on a national level earlier in the Covid-19 pandemic.
"You must stay in quarantine," Laschet said during a news conference on Tuesday, adding that police will enforce the lockdown if necessary.
www.cnn.com/2020/06/23/europe/germany-coronavirus-guetersloh-lockdown-
meat-factory-intl-grm/index.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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