Have Western Neo-Feminists now destoryed 'The West'?
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Quote:The exception is that redundant males live within the group, even though they do no offspring-minding, and don't seem to bring any extra benefit to the group as a whole.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Is the exception to redundant males being gotten rid of (somehow) or to females being more risk averse than males, or both?
I know that orca pods are headed by females. Also elephant herds. I think bonobos as well. OTOH I don't know the dolphin hierarchy. (btw Dolphins perform what looks like gang-rape when mating.)
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Those seem to be important exceptions to what might be a trend. I was thinking about that trend, and I wonder if it's particularly noticeable in the ungulates (hoofed animals), whose members are able to stand and walk quite soon after birth.
Not all dolphins mate like that. There's a genetically identical group that lives off western Australia whose mating is individual and courtly. Like the peaceable baboons in Kenya, genetics isn't destiny.
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Quote:The exception is that redundant males live within the group, even though they do no offspring-minding, and don't seem to bring any extra benefit to the group as a whole.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Is the exception to redundant males being gotten rid of (somehow) or to females being more risk averse than males, or both?
I know that orca pods are headed by females. Also elephant herds. I think bonobos as well. OTOH I don't know the dolphin hierarchy. (btw Dolphins perform what looks like gang-rape when mating.)
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Those seem to be important exceptions to what might be a trend. I was thinking about that trend, and I wonder if it's particularly noticeable in the ungulates (hoofed animals), whose members are able to stand and walk quite soon after birth.
Not all dolphins mate like that. There's a genetically identical group that lives off western Australia whose mating is individual and courtly. Like the peaceable baboons in Kenya, genetics isn't destiny.
Same with males of the human species.
There are a lot of beta males who are so financially and/or physically and/or mentally unattractive to women that they will go their whole life without ever having sex.
Though I'd venture a guess that suicide rate among them were higher than all males in general if a study were to be done, I doubt it's much higher.
Sex is a basic primal need, but that need can be "taken care of" in other ways.
I'd say it's more about purpose for men. Not everybody is going to be able to get away with being a womanizing Chad. But if they can eek out a moderately fulfilling life and feel like they're accomplishing something and/or being a part of something usually that's enough.
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Well, I think humans are different. Some species are "harem species", that is ... one adult male to many females, young males are accepted but will be driven out as they mature. Think lion prides, deer herds, or sea lions. In these species, excess males are driven away from prime feeding and breeding grounds, and in order to be let back in the males must undergo fierce competition.
In THOSE species, since the males with the mightiest weapons (biggest antlers, most blubber, most bight-resistant ruff) are the ones which reproduce, the evolutionary trend seems to be strong sexual dimorphism- the males tend to be significantly bigger (often twice as large as the female) and with specialized fighting equipment- tusks, antlers, neck-blubber, neck-ruff etc. As always, there are exceptions: male feral horses in the west aren't hugely bigger than females. They have thicker necks and heavier musculature but in general they're just way ornerier than females and way more apt to kick, rear, and bite.
Another evolutionary "spin the wheel" reproductive strategy is pair-bonding. Some mate for life ... most of them birds (albatross, bald eagles, barn owls, geese, red-tailed hawks, penguins and many others) but also some mammals (beavers, coyotes, whales, otters, prairie voles, wolves)
If I understand their lives correctly, the males in the "mate for life' category are all heavily involved in feeding or otherwise caring for the young. Beavers build and maintain their dams. In the case of wolves, there is one breeding pair per pack, but the rest of the pack also hunt and - at least indirectly- help feed the young.
Others pair-bond for a season... I know a lot of birds do. I think the reason for that is that the birds that hatch without feathers are SO demanding to raise ... they require so much food because they have to grow so quickly in one season that successfully raising at least two hatchlings to adulthood would be beyond the capacity of a single bird to provide.
(And just for the sake of completeness there are other strategies such as "dump a bunch of egg and sperm into the environment" and "eat the male after you've mated")...
Anyway, I think humans are mostly pair-bonding because human babies are incredibly demanding. Think about it: babies are SO helpless that not only do they have to be carried for a year, but for the first few months you have to control their heads for them because their neck muscles are too weak.
How does a mother carrying a baby gather food effectively?
I think the reason why males are "redundant" is because, like you said, government has turned into "big daddy".
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There's food source as well.
Carnivores need much larger territory than herbivores. That's why obligate carnivores like cats are usually solitary (lions and housecats being the only exceptions that I know of) and vigorously maintain territorial boundaries. Males lions btw don't control the females as much as they control territory. They establish territory first, females happen later. And only female housecats will at times cooperate with raising young.
Larger omnivores like bears also need large territories and are usually solitary.
Canids (dog category, not obligate carnivores) are an exception to solitary territoriality with some having a group strategy, but only 1 pair breeds.
Grazers are often nomadic with the seasons, have 'capable' babies, and don't respond to territory as much as group. It makes most sense for them to exclude males who then fight over the females (the group, not a territory).
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Anyway, I think humans are mostly pair-bonding because human babies are incredibly demanding. Think about it: babies are SO helpless that not only do they have to be carried for a year, but for the first few months you have to control their heads for them because their neck muscles are too weak.
How does a mother carrying a baby gather food effectively?
I think the reason why males are "redundant" is because, like you said, government has turned into "big daddy".
Yup. And if ever there were a "social construct" it's the idea that it costs somewhere just south of $250k to raise a child.
That is such a subjective thing. Even in our own country and the times we live in that doesn't apply to everyone. It couldn't possibly. There are plenty of people who couldn't hope to make $250k before that child hit adulthood, and that's just exponentially true the more kids they have.
But for those who can afford it, the kids get spoiled with tons of toys, and new clothes, new school supplies every year when most of the old ones were still good, rental of school books every year by a monopolistic setup that charges 10 times what the book should cost to buy for the rental, insane college costs, being trapped at jobs they hate to keep their kids health insurance, etc., etc., etc..
Big Daddy Government can afford to do a lot more of that than nearly any single man could ever hope to.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Part of a movement seems to be a reaction to Mens Rights thing and then a group getting together and maybe over-reacting as a political movement?
A Voice for Men - Media Bias/Fact Check
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/a-voice-for-men/
How Feminism Has Affected Divorce and Child Custody
https://dadsdivorce.com/articles/how-feminism-has-affected-the-divorce
-and-child-custody-process/
When Will Men Receive Equality in Custody Cases?
https://goodmenproject.com/guy-talk/wll-men-receive-equality-court-cas
es-jvinc/
Why I hate the RedPill/MGTOW community.
https://www.girlsaskguys.com/social-relationships/a64333-why-i-hate-th
e-redpill-mgtow-community
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So, those are my problems with Red Pill/MGTOW. It generalizes women, demonizes men who are submissive or aren't masculine, has a pessimistic view of dating and relationships, and many of its members can't find a middle ground.
Red pill and MGTOW
https://www.talkaboutmarriage.com/threads/red-pill-and-mgtow.439905/
'Someone makes the unilateral decision to keep their kids from their dad due to virus and social distancing. Gets tremendous support on TAM (of course) for pulling the rug out from her ex.'
the movement even has crazy channels
https://www.mgtow.tv/ @ REDPILLMARRIED
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Maybe in the end both men and women could lose
The AI robot or something will destroy both sexes???
What is an incel? A former member of the internet subculture explains
https://www.joe.co.uk/news/incel-meaning-toronto-van-subculture-explai
ned-175003
The MGTOW MANuscript
https://www.audible.com/pd/The-MGTOW-MANuscript-Audiobook/B096HG8ZXQ
Worst Right-Wing Groups and Movements
https://www.thetoptens.com/worst-right-wing-groups-movements/
Fantasy, Online Misogyny and the Manosphere
https://www.routledge.com/Fantasy-Online-Misogyny-and-the-Manosphere-M
ale-Bodies-of-DisInhibition/Johanssen/p/book/9780367468651
Tech billionaire allegedly kept spreadsheet of 5,000 women he had sex with
https://nypost.com/2021/11/20/billionaire-michael-goguen-allegedly-kep
t-spreadsheet-of-5000-sex-partners/
Sounds like another type of weirdo Epstein-esque billionaire?
Staying on topic
I did come across this forum
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'Anti-American Women Rants'
https://www.happierabroad.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=46
Maybe its not just US culture but you can also blame Social Media - Men exposed to half naked instagram and snap chat girls, exposed to more people than they would have seen one hundred years ago, the Social web use it Sickens the Self and Divides Society
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What Happens to Men Who Never Marry?
https://www.fatherly.com/health-science/what-happens-to-men-who-never-
marry-or-become-fathers/
'Men On Strike Why Men Are Boycotting Marriage Fatherhood'
http://events.jacksonville.com/cgi-bin/content/view.php
The NationStates Feminism Thread IV: Four threads and 465+ pages of nonsense Fight Like A Girl!
https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=487095&sta
rt=11600
and there's this comment?
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I feel like I’m going crazy, it’s like the world is closing in around us. Almost every manosphere subreddit has been squashed, the remaining ones may as well be bluepilled as even the men in those subs will downvote and report you for even alluding to anything TRP. Most of the mods on Reddit are leftist twats who censor anything even remotely right leaning or critical of feminism.
https://www.forums.red/p/theredpill/275850/is_anyone_else_concerned_wi
th_how_trp_is_being_silenced_acro
'Castizo Futurism: Mass Latino immigration will change the culture of the US to be more male friendly '
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?292806-Castizo-Futuri
sm-Mass-Latino-immigration-will-change-the-culture-of-the-US-to-be-more-male-friendly&p=6097532&viewfull=1#post6097532
What Is Red Pill and Why Is The Red Pill Community Growing in 2021?
https://redpiller.medium.com/the-red-pill-what-is-red-pill-and-why-is-
the-red-pill-community-growing-in-2021-476b6e66c383
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Elon Musk says civilization will crumble if more people don't have more children — and his comments shine light on a heated demographic debate
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-pandemic-baby-bust-birth-rat
e-harmful-civilization-demographics-2021-12
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What Happens to Men Who Never Marry?
https://www.fatherly.com/health-science/what-happens-to-men-who-never-
marry-or-become-fathers/
This was an interesting article.
Although, I think it's impossible to try to speak for an entire group of people as if one large choice they made in life dictates that they'll all display similar behavior.
I actually wanted to take some time to address the points from my own perspective, even if nobody cares to read it.
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Single Men Are Rich in Friendship…
Single men are not necessarily isolated basement-dwellers. They’re actually significantly more likely than married men to have several close friends. One in eight men report having no friends at all (and a lot of these men are married with kids), despite research showing that friendships help people live longer lives, stave off cognitive decline, and increase general well-being. Guy friends are a precious public health commodity that single men have covered.
This checks out. Several of the best fathers and husbands I've known don't really have any close friends anymore. There's simply no time for it after being a husband, father and provider, along with any personal quriks they have and what they choose to do with their very limited free time. I also know several guys who are great fathers and husbands who are also great friends. We don't see each other as much as we did when time was cheap, but having friends and being a good friend is something that is a part of them so they make the time to keep up important relationships.
As for me, personally, I had a long and destructive path of alcoholism behind me that torched a good majority of my relationships. With five years of sobriety behind me I have spent a great deal of time fixing things that are important in my life. Not just my own health, future and living conditions, but also realizing what old relationships were worth getting back into and making them stronger than they ever were before.
I actually have a lot to bring to the table as a jack of all trades, and along with my copious amounts of free time, I'm always there for them if they need me for something. In turn, we develop a reciprocal relationship of doing good deeds for each other.
For a long time there, particularly when I was a drunk, I shuned relationships. My step-dad once told me that "no man is an island". It took me a while to realize that he was right. A good friend is invaluable. Being blessed with two or three of them is a gift. Not only do you get to benefit from their help when you need it, but unlike mindlessly virtue signalling on social media for likes, you get a genuine feeling of being needed and belonging and satisfaction when you can help out somebody you truly care about with something that you just can't get from typing out a few sentences on Twitter or making a 30 second TikTok video.
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…But Poor in Money
What single men gain in friends, they lose in money, studies show. Men who stay unmarried make anywhere from 10 to 40 percent less than married men. There’s evidence that fathers make up to 21 percent more than men without children, though studies also suggest men with wives and kids work longer hours and put up with more workplace bullshit than single men. Now, this doesn’t mean marriage and parenthood cause financial success (though anecdotally, that sure doesn’t sound right). Indeed, other research argues that men are simply more likely to get married and have kids when their income is already rising. Either way, your unmarried, childless bachelor friends are probably making less money than you are.
This checks out too.
I've known single guys that did have a lot of money, but that's not me. I did set myself up rather nicely and I don't need much money at all. I think had things gone differently and the last company I was working for hadn't been bought out, I probably would have stuck around and had a
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