Some Covid-19 thoughts
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Quote:Trump will end social distancing when his gut tells him to.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Tens of thousands dead? Who gives a shit.
809,340 US citizens have already died this year from everything else.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Maybe you should be his gut and tell him to?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1250075668282576898
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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He doesn't listen to me.
And besides, I'm actually against him on the issue that he makes the decision.
It IS a state's issue.
My governor Eric Holcomb said two weeks ago that HE decides when Indiana opens back up again, not Donald Trump. And he's right. Cuomo is an idiot and way behind the curve on that one, although he gets all the press for it because he's a New York Democrat.
Constitutionally speaking, this is a states issue.
The difference between you and I is that I know this and won't change my mind on it. If Obama were in office right now and republican governors were saying they were going to re-open their state for work, you'd be saying that it was Obama's decision.
Don't even bother lying and saying that you wouldn't.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Trump will be giving four more briefings this week. If he wanted to tell the nation to end social distancing, nobody could stop his mouth, certainly not state governors. What Trump says would make a difference, but he doesn't want the responsibility that comes with giving clear and concise instructions.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
He doesn't listen to me.
And besides, I'm actually against him on the issue that he makes the decision.
It IS a state's issue.
Yesterday's 2.5 hour long "briefing" was NOT brief. Trump sure loves to talk.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Tens of thousands dead? Who gives a shit.
809,340 US citizens have already died this year from everything else.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Would you like your disabled brother to be one of the number who die from covid-19?
You've never felt the cold hand of the Reaper on your shoulder. I have and yes what happened to me was out of my control, I still know how lucky I am to be here today.
I don't want to see millions die over something we can control and eventually get a vaccine for.
We and I mean humanity is suppose to be smarter than this but we really don't learn from our own history even when it comes to disease. Which is just as important as learning to control our war like behavior. Humans are social beings which is why something like a virus or any bacteria can spread so fast. It's made all the worse today because we hope on a plane in one part of the world and get off in a few hours in another, not thinking about what we (an individual) is doing.
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Gerald Glenn: Bishop who said 'God is larger than this dreaded virus' dies of Covid-19
In a sermon on March 22, a day before Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam issued his executive order banning all public and private gatherings of 10 people or more, Glenn told his congregation, "I firmly believe that God is larger than this dreaded virus."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gerald-glenn-bishop-who-said-god-is-
larger-than-this-dreaded-virus-dies-of-covid-19/ar-BB12Av3R?ocid=msedgntp
Guess not. Bye...
T 
Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.
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Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Gerald Glenn: Bishop who said 'God is larger than this dreaded virus' dies of Covid-19
In a sermon on March 22, a day before Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam issued his executive order banning all public and private gatherings of 10 people or more, Glenn told his congregation, "I firmly believe that God is larger than this dreaded virus."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gerald-glenn-bishop-who-said-god-is-
larger-than-this-dreaded-virus-dies-of-covid-19/ar-BB12Av3R?ocid=msedgntp
Guess not. Bye...
T
Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.
Poetic justice if I have ever heard of it THG.
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Don't let Trump read the following. He might decide social distancing was a complete hoax to make him look bad. If you think he has been acting crazy/stupid before, once he reads this he will turn his volume knob of crazy/stupid to 11:
Earlier today I mentioned a few anomalies about the COVID-19 death tolls. I could have added some others too. This plus a few other things has put a thought in my head that’s been rolling around for several days—a thought that I’m afraid to state publicly even though my opinion obviously has no effect on anything.
But here it is: I’ve started to wonder if you can account for the anomalies with two assumptions: (1) the initial models were just plain too high, for reasons we don’t yet understand, and (2) the value of social distancing has been overestimated. A strong social distancing regimen reduces death rates by around a third or a half, not 5x or 10x.
This is why the United States is doing fairly well even though our response was lousy and late. It’s why South Korea did well with no countermeasures at all except for testing and tracing. It’s why Sweden is doing only a bit worse than other Nordic countries and about the same as the rest of Europe even with very light countermeasures. It’s why nearly every Western country is on a surprisingly similar trendline. It’s why grocery workers are dying at only a moderately higher rate than the general population. It’s why red states that have resisted lockdowns haven’t suffered much for it. It’s why New York is doing so much worse than the Pacific coast states even though it lagged by only a few days in ordering lockdowns. A few days simply can’t account for a 20x difference. It has to be something else. Maybe just bad luck.
Now, this is just a dilettante guess. There are obviously plenty of other possibilities. And it’s worth acknowledging that it’s hard to compare different countries because they all have different age distributions; different health profiles; different weather; different health systems; etc. etc. I also realize that no one wants to say anything that downplays the effect of countermeasures because it might provide people with a reason to demand an end to social distancing before we’ve truly stamped out the virus. There are some who might even consider it irresponsible to so much as broach the subject. Still, I wonder.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/04/coronavirus-growth-in-western-c
ountries-april-13-update/
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Quote:But it has.
The daily death toll has been declining for several days now, so even a rolling average shows a net drop in daily deaths. The trendline is once again pointing toward tomorrow as the likely peak. That means somewhere in the ballpark of 50-60,000 deaths through summer. ... the undercounting probably hasn’t changed much over time ...
===> March 21, 2020 LACounty eliminates testing on most potential COVID-19 patients.
===> March 21, 2020 NYC eliminates testing on most potential COVID-19 patients.
NYC is THE single largest driver of COVID-19 statistics in the US. And if confirmed cases are undercounted, so too are confirmed deaths.
Quote:I'd be curious to see where he gets his figure from, and if it holds true even in cases where a virus has superspreaders.
A strong social distancing regimen reduces death rates by around a third or a half, not 5x or 10x.
Quote:Well, no. The US is in the top 10 deaths per 1M people, and Sweden is above the US. http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/
This is why the United States is doing fairly well even though our response was lousy and late.
Quote:And this is flat-out wrong. SK has MANDATORY (police-enforced) quarantine of anyone testing positive, a special-precautions travel policy for people entering the country, and official advisories for the public to stay indoors, avoid public events, wear masks and practice good hygiene, as well as a large-scale PR campaign that puts people under broad social pressure (a powerful force in SK) to conform.
It’s why South Korea did well with no countermeasures at all except for testing and tracing.
Quote:And this is wrong in its claim "Sweden is doing only a bit worse than other Nordic countries" - Sweden has twice as many deaths per 1M as Denmark, the next-worse Nordic country.
It’s why Sweden is doing only a bit worse than other Nordic countries ...
Quote:And this is completely unsupported in its cause-effect claim. It's more likely due to the facts that 1) Sweden has a highly dispersed population as opposed to European countries with highly concentrated populations, and 2) that about half the Swedish workforce normally works from home.
... and about the same as the rest of Europe even with very light countermeasures.
Quote:Only if you think that 350 deaths per 1M (Belgium) is the same as 40 deaths per 1M (Germany).
It’s why nearly every Western country is on a surprisingly similar trendline.
Quote:Where? A lot of important differentiation can be washed out by taking too grand an average. There may be fewer grocery workers in NYC - dying at far higher rates than anywhere else.
It’s why grocery workers are dying at only a moderately higher rate than the general population.
But that certainly won't show up in a national average.
Quote:Yanno, maybe its simple numbers of people in concentration. If a small town has rampant COVID-19 spread, only a few hundred people will be affected. If a large city - like, oh, I don't now, let's say New York - has rampant COVID-19 spread, 8.4M people will be affected.
It’s why red states that have resisted lockdowns haven’t suffered much for it. It’s why New York is doing so much worse than the Pacific coast states even though it lagged by only a few days in ordering lockdowns. A few days simply can’t account for a 20x difference.
Quote:No, it's outright misrepresentation of facts.
Now, this is just a dilettante guess.
Quote:No, you've got an agenda.
Still, I wonder.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Tens of thousands dead? Who gives a shit.
809,340 US citizens have already died this year from everything else.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Would you like your disabled brother to be one of the number who die from covid-19?
You've never felt the cold hand of the Reaper on your shoulder. I have and yes what happened to me was out of my control, I still know how lucky I am to be here today.
I don't want to see millions die over something we can control and eventually get a vaccine for.
We and I mean humanity is suppose to be smarter than this but we really don't learn from our own history even when it comes to disease. Which is just as important as learning to control our war like behavior. Humans are social beings which is why something like a virus or any bacteria can spread so fast. It's made all the worse today because we hope on a plane in one part of the world and get off in a few hours in another, not thinking about what we (an individual) is doing.
Millions aren't going to die from this. They never were.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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