new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China
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Added to my last post while you were posting more bullshit:
And, BTW, your "40 year old diabetic at a 6-7% risk of dying from COVID-19" statistic is pure bullshit.
That's based off of confirmed cases vs. deaths. There is ZERO way to know how many people who currently have it (healthy or otherwise) that don't even know that they have it. With testing kits as hard to come by as they are, unless you're deathly ill you are not getting tested in most parts of the country and you aren't being counted.
That being said, at least until the new testing kits are proven to work, distributed en masse, and legitimately cataloged, there is also no way to even know how many people have had it that are already over it and immune either.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I hope you realize I don't read your posts because they offer no data, no evidence, no links - just your personal opinion. Which is like an asshole. Everybody has one.
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To continue on ... contrary to Jack's contention that the people who die are at death's door anyway, Germany provides a striking example of how that is untrue. Its case fatality rate is a smidge over 1%. So dying seems to be more related to how interested-in, and capable-of, the society is in saving people medically.
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I don't give a shit what your opinion is, woman.
I deal with facts, statistics and probability, as well as factoring in unknowns. Unknowns that your simple mind is apparently completely incapable of even pondering or even admitting exist in the first place.
But keep watching your news and wearing your masks and cowering in fear of the 125 micron bogey man. They didn't scare you with Russia, but they sure as hell got you pissing yourself right now.
I see you still haven't replied to the property tax thread after I gave you an education smack down as a retort your feeble attempt at wit.
That's the first smart thing I've seen you do in a while. Do yourself a favor and keep it that way.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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SIX is clinging to the contention that we don't know the REAL "case fatality rate" and that somehow makes all of the bodies stacking up in refrigerated trucks (because they ran out of morgue space) disappear.
SIX, you're right, we DON'T know the case fatality rate. OTOH, with over 1,000 deaths per day caused by Covid-19 (and evidence that coroners, medical examiners etc are undercounting those deaths even so) it's turned into the third-highest cause of death IN THE USA.
NOT your typical flu!
And if "nothing" was done, as you seem to be advocating, what would the death rate look like then? 2,000/day? More? Until it becomes THE leading cause of death?
So what's your point? That it's not "worth" slowing the economy down temporarily to save hundreds of thousands or millions of people? That approach only benefits the wealthy. Which brings up an interesting philosophical point: Is "the economy" supposed to be working for people? Or are people supposed to be "working for" the economy? What is an economy FOR, anyway?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
#STAYTHEFUCKHOME
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KIKI, I wanted to get your feedback on this
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So since the SARS Cov-2 virus docks onto human cells via the ACE-2 receptor (typically found in the small vessels of the lungs but also the kidneys, which explains the kidney damage that is ALSO found after Covid-19) I wondered whether the ACE receptor blockers (ARBs) would interfere with docking and blunt the infection. But it turns out that ARBs actually cause an overexpression of ACE-2 recpetors (by a factor of 3-5X) which may explain why people with high blood pressure or heart problems far so poorly: Not because of the blood pressure or heart failure but because of the medications they're taking. THAT might explain the high death rate in Italy.
I guess I wasn't the first person to think about this, there is an active discussion about this in the medical community. https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/ace-inhibitors-arbs-and-covi
d-19-what-gps-need-to
On the other hand, a comment buzzed past my ear while I was doing other things that soking prevented the kind of cytokine storm that quickly sent patients CTD (circling the drain). Since it was kind of random, I don't recall where I heard it, but what I found when looking it up is that according to the only studies that could be found on the topic, smoing actually RAISES the risk of severe complications and deaths. http://www.tobaccoinduceddiseases.org/COVID-19-and-smoking-A-systemati
c-review-of-the-evidence,119324,0,2.html So much for THAT idea (although I will continue to try and find the source of that comment, and any supporting info.)
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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The first Covid 19 case diagnosed in New Jersey
www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/magazine/first-coronavirus-patient-new-jers
ey.html
Commentary on the above article: Remdesivir III
Robert Waldmann | April 5, 2020 8:20 pm
https://angrybearblog.com/2020/04/remdesivir-iii.html
The first Covid 19 case diagnosed in New Jersey
Around 3 a.m. on March 10, Balani arrived at the hospital. The medicine had come in, and she did not want to wait until the morning to administer it. With Balani in the room, a nurse woke Cai up so that he could sign the legal papers. Soon after, he was hooked up, intravenously, to the drug.
The next day Cai’s fever, which he’d had for at least nine days, finally broke. Even before he received the remdesivir, his oxygen levels started to stabilize. Now they indicated he was on the mend. He was still so weak in the following days that he could barely speak without exhaustion; every time he tried, he was racked by coughs. But the progress was steady
Chloroquine also ran, It was used for a day while the Remdesivir was in the mail,
Cai’s boss, Dr. George Hall, also made a call, not long after Huang spoke to the infectious-disease doctor on call. He spoke with another doctor on Cai’s caregiving team, a hospitalist named Danit Arad.
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Hall explained …that the Chinese National Health Commission had just published the seventh edition of guidelines on how to treat coronavirus. It was true that they were based more on clinical experience than on published studies, but he urged Arad to follow some of its protocols, which included prescribing two drugs that were commonly given to patients in China soon after they showed symptoms like shortness of breath: chloroquine, an antiviral drug once used to treat malaria, and Kaletra, another antiviral that had once been used to treat H.I.V.
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at the time that neither drug had been through extensive clinical trials or had F.D.A. approval. She listened patiently to Hall and expressed her concern that his suggestions did not conform to standard medical procedure or C.D.C. guidelines.
Hall understood the need for evidence-based medicine as well as she did, he told her. But this was life and death.
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That day, Cai was given chloroquine and Kaletra
Comment: I do not understand the need for “evidence-based medicine” or rather I do not understand how the phrase is used by doctors. There is no evidence that Covid 19 patients (without heart disease) do better without Chloroquine. I learn that “evidence based medicine” does not imply choosing the therapy that a fair balance of evidence suggests is best for the patient. Pharmaceuticals are presumed guilty until proven safe and effective. The evidence is treated as evidence in a criminal trial with the burden of proof on the pharmaceutical.
I have no idea what “standard medical procedure” might mean in the context of Covid 19. it appears that as soon as a new disease is discovered, there is a standard procedure for treating it, which can’t be based on data or evidence.
The story has a happy ending, but it is not reassuring. It also doesn’t surprise me.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Always fun to see the SIGGY deflection two step - another tell that she just dropped a load of BS on the forum.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Wrong again, fool. Find me the post where I said I had a pantry and two freezers.
This thread. Does your refrigerator have a freezer? Uh-huh - so that's 2 freezers.
I said "pantry / storage"
Do you have storage in your kitchen? Somewhere you could store cans, beans, rice, pasta? Things that you could easily eat + all the pounds of meat and fruit and veg in your 2 freezers and fridge?
Face it, you lied your f*ckin' @ss off. Again.
The only question is, as it is with almost everything you post, is: how many lies.
Did you lie about the clerk having plexiglass? Or did you just lie because I mentioned it in a previous post? Did you lie about talking to her on how to clean her mask? Or are you lying to make it sound like you were being a dear, how dare we question you? Was there even a clerk, or is that another lie? So many lies.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
WHY do you keep posting stuff about me that you couldn't POSSIBLY know, is always wrong, and biased to the negative??? Why do you keep lying?
I could POSSIBLY know it because you actually posted it.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Now, do you mind not shitting up this thread with lies, personal attacks, and irrelevancies? Or is that how you earn your "working from home" paycheck?
I think it's relevant to protect the integrity of this forum from people such as yourself who constantly fill it with their BS.
Who would pay me to call you out for lying? That'd be constant employment though, pretty awesome.
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#STAYTHEFUCKHOME
OMG! What are you going to do this week? Dr. Birx says this is the week we should NOT go to the pharmacy or grocery store! Your XL family is going to starve!
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SIX is clinging to the contention that we don't know the REAL "case fatality rate" and that somehow makes all of the bodies stacking up in refrigerated trucks (because they ran out of morgue space) disappear.
SIX, you're right, we DON'T know the case fatality rate. OTOH, with over 1,000 deaths per day caused by Covid-19 (and evidence that coroners, medical examiners etc are undercounting those deaths even so) it's turned into the third-highest cause of death IN THE USA.
NOT your typical flu!
And if "nothing" was done, as you seem to be advocating, what would the death rate look like then? 2,000/day? More? Until it becomes THE leading cause of death?
So what's your point? That it's not "worth" slowing the economy down temporarily to save hundreds of thousands or millions of people? That approach only benefits the wealthy. Which brings up an interesting philosophical point: Is "the economy" supposed to be working for people? Or are people supposed to be "working for" the economy? What is an economy FOR, anyway?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
#STAYTHEFUCKHOME
Talk to me about the economy a few months from now.
Especially if the disproportionate response so far is continued and we pass another 2.5 Trillion stimulus bill or three before it's over.
Meanwhile, not a single Stimulus check has been cut or direct deposited, and today is the day that we heard we'd all get them by. Those don't even begin to go out until the 9th, and the government says it can only print and send out 5 Million a month, so to those who don't have direct deposits on their taxes already or even a checking account to begin with (yanno, those likely in the most need of the money), they're being told that the last checks might not even be in the hands of people until September.
And it's still a coin toss in most states if you can even file for unemployment, despite the fact that millions of Americans have lost their jobs temporarily (and possibly permanently).
I'm more worried about the survivors than the people who are dying from this. I'm also more concerned about the spike in suicides, murder and just basic civil unrest that is sure to happen, especially if money doesn't get into the hands of people who really need it now AND the price of goods doesn't skyrocket in the mean time. Especially while hundreds of millions of Americans are going stir crazy in their houses feeding on whatever poison the Legacy Media is dishing out everyday to make a buck.
I'm absolutely fine with being labeled an asshole for this opinion.
I'm not the guys in China who decided to engineer this virus in an attempt to wipe out their elderly and sick population. I'm also not in any position to do anything about it either.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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