How it is possible to acquit someone at a trial with NO witnesses when witnesses were present at the time of the CRIME?? DIRTY MONEY and DIRTY SELF-SERVING LAWYERS
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UPDATED: Sunday, June 21, 2026 15:21
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I'm kind of enjoying the relative silence here these last few days.
I'm sure the NPC's are waiting for Rachel Maddow to reprogram their brains on what to think next.
Second might be a liar and a hypocrite, but at least he has the balls to still post in here this week.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:I knew that the vote would fall short of 67 to remove Trump. I knew in 1973.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Second might be a liar and a hypocrite, but at least he has the balls to still post in here this week.
There were not 67 votes to remove Nixon because of Watergate. If Nixon had acted like Trump by refusing to give Congress the Watergate Tapes, with Nixon testifying against Nixon in Nixon's own words, as Trump refused to give Congress his tax returns, despite Trump being ordered to on six different occasions by six different courts, Nixon would have beat the charges just like Trump beat them.
Nixon had the same approval rating as Trump with GOP voters, until the Watergate Tapes. Nixon could have destroyed those tapes. He surrendered them. Trump would not surrender. Trump learned that technique from Roy Cohn, a fabulously capable lawyer who understood you win, in America, by never giving in and never being afraid to lie under oath by saying "I don't know" and never be afraid to destroy evidence. All you need do is set a fire, shrug, and say the evidence burned up accidentally. "I don't know what happened. It was a very unfortunate and inexplicable occurrence." It is daring the court to hold you in contempt. Contempt is meaningless, as is shame. Cohn taught that to Trump.
There would not be 67 votes to remove Trump. There will never be 67. It is because of the structure of the GOP. Unless there are fewer than 34 Republicans in the Senate, there will never be enough votes to remove a Republican President. Why, you might ask? Check out the articles about Mitt Romney being hated by the GOP. That hatred keeps the GOP Senators in line. Judging by my two Texas GOP Senators, all the other GOP Senators are cowards, just like Ted Cruz and John Cornyn. The exception is Mitt Romney and even he got butterflies in his stomach when he announced his vote to remove Trump.
Romney gave a speech on why he'll vote to convict Trump.
www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/full-text-romney-s-
speech-why-he-ll-vote-convict-n1130936
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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I'm adding Mitt Romney to the list of people you guys love now.
Remember that you were calling him a Nazi not too long ago too.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Democrats don't love Senator Romney, but he is not a chicken like Senators Ted Cruz and John Cornyn, who are scared of Trump and what that NY City gangster might do to them. I don't know about the other Republican Senators, but I know those three.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm adding Mitt Romney to the list of people you guys love now.
Remember that you were calling him a Nazi not too long ago too.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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ALL- Please put YOUR brain in gear (not Mitt Romney's, not Vox's, not Rush Limbaugh's or Fox News') and answer the following questions ...
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SIGNYM:
I try to cast the same event with different characters to see if I'm being biased.
Let's say that Obama pressured Britain into investigating candidate Trump for possible treasonous agreements with foreign nations, that Obama held some "quid pro quo" over the UK to get them to participate. Impeachable?
Why, or why not?
More interestingly, when does it cross the boundary between impeachable or not? If there was no "quid pro quo", does that make a difference? If the allegation against candidate is less serious ... say, tax evasion in Scotland ... does THAT make a difference? What about if the person being investigated is not running for office at all? Would it be any different if Obama had directed his DOJ to do the investigation directly instead of thru a foreign nation? What if the allegations are patently false?
For people who say what Trump did was "no big deal" - What would you feel if Obama was doing the same to Trump? For people who say that what Trump did was impeachable- would you say the same if it was Obama?
Difficult, uncomfortable questions? I hope so!
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!
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Quote:Sygnym, it was impossible to imagine GOP Senators voting to remove Trump. But a GOP Senator did. It was impossible to imagine GOP Senators voting for witnesses to testify, but two did. It is impossible to imagine that a GOP Chief Justice of the Supreme Court votes to reveal Trump's tax returns, but he might. The Supreme Court Justice might be influenced by Trump's promise to reveal the tax returns after the tax audit is over, if the Justice asks for proof that all Trump returns are still be auditing 4 years after Trump's many promises about his taxes.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
ALL- Please put YOUR brain in gear (not Mitt Romney's, not Vox's, not Rsuh Limbaugh's or Fox News') and answer the following questions ...
It is possible, almost a certainty, that if Trump loses his tax case in the Supreme Court, the IRS will have a mysterious fire that destroys Trump's tax returns. GOP Senators will say it is a shame that the proof Trump is a law abiding citizen was destroyed. The Senate will vote to not have Trump's tax accountants testify.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Thank you for avoiding the questions, like you always do.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!
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Quote:Your question was poorly worded. It should have been If Obama refused to pay his taxes, would you remove him from office? I certainly would. If Obama ordered a coverup of his operations in Ukraine, would you remove him from office? I certainly would. If Obama threatened Ukraine to get a fake investigation started, would you remove him from office? I certainly would. I'd have all the GOP Senators agreeing with me, too.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Thank you for avoiding the questions, like you always do.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Well, I found this scenario not exactly applicable, so I didn't know how to answer.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Let's say that Obama pressured Britain into investigating candidate Trump for possible treasonous agreements with foreign nations, that Obama held some "quid pro quo" over the UK to get them to participate. Impeachable?
Not the Ukraine government through official policy, but many high-ranking and wealthy people in it, DID interfere in the 2016 election for example this anti-Trump op-ed by Chaley deputy head of Ukraine's presidential administration and the Ukrainian ambassador to the US https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/international/290411-ukraines-a
mbassador-trumps-comments-send-wrong-message-to, and the questionable anti-Trump 'black ledger' https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/15/us/politics/what-is-the-black-ledge
r.html. And there were serious questions about Biden's conflict of interest https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/01/us/politics/biden-son-ukraine.html. Then of course there was Chalupa the DNC contractor who solicited dirt on Trump from Ukraine https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/441892-ukrainian-embassy-confi
rms-dnc-contractor-solicited-trump-dirt-in-2016. Before that there was the DNC payment through intermediaries for the foreign sourced "golden showers" Steele dossier (that might have been completely fabricated) https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/clinton-campaig
n-dnc-paid-for-research-that-led-to-russia-dossier/2017/10/24/226fabf0-b8e4-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html. And before that, there was the now-debunked and totally inaccurate FISA application to surveil Carter Page, as outlined in the Horowitz report, originally filed in 2016 by the Obama administration but denied until 'evidence' was altered https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/02/obama-admins-first-request-sp
y-trump-campaign-rejected-fisa-court-added-fake-dossier-knowing-lie/ .
There's more than enough evidence of anti-Trump Democratic and foreign meddling; and US foreign and domestic intelligence anti-Trump meddling, and foreign intelligence meddling, that was solicited and occurred - yes even by Ukraine and MI6 and privately, in the 2016 election.
And then there's the question of quid pro quo, which I find tenuous.
Not knowing how to interpret the question, I found it hard to answer.
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