new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China
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UPDATED: Tuesday, May 5, 2026 22:21
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Well - whichever it was, I'm glad you checked it out first and didn't have a 'what the hell' moment! 
(lol @ "not India pale ale!") Yanno - there are so many shared acronyms that mean different things, depending on where you come from. Because I came from a medically-related background, to me GC was gonococcus, the bacteria that causes gonorrhea. And then I moved over to the chemistry side where GC was gas chromatography. And people said GC A LOT, because it was one of the instruments most commonly in use at the time. Needless to say, it was a couple of years before I stopped giggling inside every time I heard GC.
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The actual news is more of the same - soaring infection numbers, more deaths, increased isolation measures in China (except for the wealthy who are freely flying out at the rates of hundreds of commercial flights a day), more countries affected, and then there's this from CNN: • There's been a run on surgical masks in US.
Yep - been there, done that. But here in SoCal stores ran out BEFORE this corona virus got any traction. And that's because LACounty declared a flu emergency over a week ago (11 days ago, specifically), with many cases and many deaths - due to influenza B/ Victoria strain. (Their concern was that the really high death rate is in people under 40.) Also been there, done that with influenza B/ Victoria, except for the dying part, of course. SOOOooooo over getting the flu or any contagion again this year!
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Heard yesterday the Chinese added 1700 cases in one day, for a total of 4,500 cases.
In WI, they claim they have tested 100 folk, nobody positive yet. Group from UW-Platteville just got back from China, they are in quarantine as precaution.
Does anybody think it is contained within America? The cases which are here, we know which/where they are, and each is contained?
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Quote:You cleaned your pliers with coronavirus before pulling your teeth?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Cleaned my pliers with it before pulling out teeth and I'm still alive.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I've been asking the stores where I go to please put out hand sanitizers where customers can use them, but I intend to keep one in the car as well. If I can find one that's 60% or more alcohol (either ethanol or IPA), even better!
A second case of coronavirus has just been confirmed in SoCal since this morning.
But for now, all we're going to hear about is Kobe Bryant.
Quote:Yep, but don't try drinking it! BTW, rubbing alcohol is AKA isopropyl alcohol AKA IPA (not India pale ale!) aka isopropanol.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Is rubbing alcohol just as good?
I recall different concentrations of IPA were named different things, one being rubbing alcohol. From your response, seems like any one of the IPA concentrations should be good enough.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:You cleaned your pliers with coronavirus before pulling your teeth?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Cleaned my pliers with it before pulling out teeth and I'm still alive.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Yup.
Or you can go back and read it again if you want to know what I really did.
You may want to try your post right before the one you just quoted of mine.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Well - WAY back when, pretty far back in the previous century, they used to denature (poison) ethanol (drinking alcohol) with benzene in order to make rubbing alcohol for general use. Then they found out that benzene was a carcinogen. So they switched entirely to a different kind of alcohol - IPA/ isopropyl alcohol/ isopropanol - as rubbing alcohol instead of using 'denatured' ethanol. You may be thinking of the ethanol/ benzene mix when you think that different concentrations are called different things. A ethanol mixed with benzene would be a different 'concentration' of ethanol.
The differences between IPA and ethanol are, IPA is cheaper than ethanol because it's made from petroleum feedstocks in an industrial, high-volume, short-term process, as opposed to ethanol which is (usually) made from grains or other plant matter that are grown, fermented, filtered, and distilled. IPA is more toxic - you can't drink it in any quantity, whereas ethanol is only immediately toxic in large amounts. And IPA is a better degreaser, since it has more carbon-hydrogen bonds like a gasoline-type solvent. Chemically, IPA is three carbons with an alcohol group (-OH) stuck on the middle carbon in the place of hydrogen (-H), whereas ethanol is 2 carbons with an alcohol group (-OH) stuck on the end in the place of hydrogen (-H). Either one can be used as a rubbing alcohol, and they're both alcohols in any concentration, though they are of course different alcohols. I hope that clears up any residual confusion over what is what.
As for concentrations, either ethanol or IPA are good as sanitizers, but they should be >60% alcohol, and one should use enough that your hands stay wet for about a minute. Walgreens has hand sanitizers that are 70% ethanol, and the balance is glycerine (a completely edible non-toxic thickener) which keeps the ethanol from evaporating off in a flash. There's also a small amount of aloe vera (plant) extract and vitamin E.
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Last night heard that the confirmed cases (from China) were over 6,000.
Back when the official count was under 3,000 some whistleblower nurse in China revealed there were actually over 90,000 cases.
I hear this has a 5% fatality rate - which seems fairly low.
Population of China is apparently 1.4 Billion. Practically a petri dish for an epidemic.
Does anybody outside China think they have a grip on it? Will every person in China eventually get exposed to it? Will this take out 1/20th of China's population.
Cool that a flight of 200 Americans got out, refueled in Anchorage, on to Ontario (California, in northern LA County), but then redirected to Marsh AFB, also in CA. But there are many Americans stranded in China who didn't make the flight, and are now quarantined.
I heard 5 confirmed cases in USA. Will there be a breakout? also a suspected case landing at Logan direct from China.
I looked for some countdown page for the number of cases or patients, but didn't find one.
I had found a site which seemed to be close to monitoring the count,but now I can't find it.
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How many cases, how many deaths ... either past, current or future ... those are very good questions! In this instance, data-gathering is inevitably FAR behind the facts. And there are arguments to project estimates in either direction. Looking at death rates for example: There's a good argument to be made that many, many cases of 2019-nCov are undiagnosed. And that these are people with mild cases of the virus, who go on to an unremarkable recovery, who will never be counted as survivors. But if they had been counted, they would have lowered the actual death rate considerably. Meanwhile, since they are uncounted, the official, apparent death rate would be too high. There's also a case to be made that many people are dying of the virus, through pneumonia, heart attack, asthma etc, or who went back to their villages where they passed away, who will never be counted as victims (either intentionally, or by lack of resources, or both). And of course while the actual death rate would be higher, the official, apparent death rate would be too low.
Ultimately, long after the fact, the number could be estimated by population-wide statistical 'excess deaths', if there are enough to move the overall death rate enough beyond chance probabilities.
And btw, if you had the answers and could convince people of your data and logic, you'd become famous, maybe even rich!
My personal opinion is that I see no reason why this won't eventually spread globally. For every confirmed case, I think they're at least 5 undiagosed. Those people are infectious, and can go around quietly infecting other people, who infect other people, and so on.
The worst-case estimates are that quarantine measures have to be roughly 75% complete to stop the spread (given higher infectivity numbers). I'm not seeing that in China. Globally, I think given what my estimates are for undiagnosed cases wandering around, I don't see really good control anywhere else, either.
So the start may be small-scale in other countries, but unless either the virus changes, or control measures are adequate, I don't see anything other than a spread of the virus.
But, we'll see.
As for myself, since I'm STILL hacking my brains out and wheezing away 3 weeks after getting a mere flu, I'm definitely going to be using hand-sanitizer and wearing a mask in public. It might be overkill, but I really don't want to catch anything else this year.
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Here's a sampling of the news:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/29/health/china-coronavirus-outbreak.h
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As Coronavirus Explodes in China, Countries Struggle to Control Its Spread
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-symptoms-do-face-masks-really
-protect-against-coronavirus-flu-spread-how-top-prevent/
Do face masks really protect against coronavirus?
(The Mayo Clinic reports that wearing a mask can help prevent getting the flu. While this ISN'T the flu, wearing a mask might also help. My opinion is, you have no idea how MANY times a day you scratch your nose or rub your eyes! If nothing else, wearing a mask will prevent or make you more aware of those behaviors.)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/01/29/coronavirus-wuha
n-china-outbreak-united-states-cdc-prepared-vaccine/4599870002/
US learned from Ebola but is 'nowhere near as prepared' as needed if coronavirus outbreak happened here
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/29/coronavirus-latest-updates.html
Coronavirus live updates: Outbreak is ‘grave concern’ as infections spread beyond China
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/health-experts-human-to-human-spr
ead-of-new-virus-worrying/ar-BBZq4be
Health experts: Human-to-human spread of new virus worrying
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