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STAR WARS Episode 9: The Final Abortion

POSTED BY: whozit
UPDATED: Wednesday, February 26, 2025 15:30
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Monday, January 13, 2020 1:03 AM

Guess no lotto for me if estimates are correct. Now they've also got tonight's predictions up as well, before anybody has even gone to the shows.

Almost 6.8 Million projected last night, with another 4.4 predicted for tonight. No historical data on previous Star Wars movies should suggest a haul that high for a Sunday night compared to Friday, but there it is. At the same time, though, if the projected numbers are correct this weekend is pretty strange since there were massive percentage increases on both Friday and Saturday compared to all three previous weekends. This might be explained by kids going to see the movie on the weekend now because they're back in school.

It will likely eek out a Billion after those numbers are squared up and the international numbers are reported, but just barely, and it looks as though the days of this flick exceeding the "legs" expectations are done as of this weekend as well.


We still get to laugh at the comparison to Joker's numbers though...

Episode 8's 4th weekend Friday/Saturday/Sunday numbers:

$3,920,000
$6,771,000
$4,368,000

Joker's 4th weekend Friday/Saturday/Sunday numbers:

$5,500,308
$8,186,141
$5,561,586


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 8:19 PM

Hmmmmmmm...

Maybe it won't hit a billion after all?

I called out Geeks and Gamers for saying that it didn't and using the-numbers as a source, because they weren't correctly reading the International tab and looking at the last date the numbers for individual countries was being reported. I don't dislike that channel. I just don't want them to falsely report things and get called on it by other people who do.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Star-Wars-The-Rise-of-Skywalker-(201
9)#tab=international


If you look in the "Box Office Summary Per Territory", you can see on the right column that it gives the last reported date.

But I'm actually surprised it's still nearly 11 Million short given how many of them have reported on Monday the 13th.



Now...

There's no way that we could tell if somebody was fudging the numbers here to make the Billion over the weekend happen even if it didn't, especially since it's so close. The US Box Office numbers for the weekend are still off color, which historically seems to mean that they still aren't finalized. This number could go down, I suppose, but it always seems to go up when it's set in stone. Also, there's still 14 countries yet to report updated numbers for the weekend, even though none of them have box office totals over $5 Million so far and aren't likely to tip it over 1 Billion on their own.

But the countries that aren't shown in the breakdown at all account for over $80 Million in the box office totals. That's a lot of wiggle room right there to just add 11 Million on the sly and get it over the hump, with virtually no way for anybody to fact check it.

I actually trust the-numbers.com, at least for now without any reason not to. I'm not suggesting that they'd have a hand in this. They really wouldn't need to do anything other than add data given to them that seems legit here. There's really no reason not to believe that the unnamed/unaccounted territories themselves would add a measly 11 Million to the total once tallied.



Just a friendly warning to the youtubers out there that are generally good. Do a little more research before making proclamations about things. Some fans are going to be fans because you're just telling them what you want to hear, but I suspect that a great deal more are fans because of your integrity. Don't lose those fans due to lazy reporting or using clickbait thumbnails that are based on incorrect information.


My call is that Episode 8 did in fact reach 1 Billion worldwide over the weekend... just barely. And even if I wanted to do research to debunk that, I don't think there is any possible way to do that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, January 15, 2020 3:01 AM

Odd...

I would think that Disney would be on the asses of those other countries who haven't reported their weekend numbers to get the total up over a billion by now. It's nearing Tuesday night and all 14 listed countries that hadn't reported earlier in the day still have not reported their weekend numbers. The non-listed collection of other countries listed as "rest of world" still haven't moved from slightly over $80 Million either.


To further complicate things, the US has now already reported Monday's take, while solidifying the US numbers on the weekend de-complicates things at the same time.

Friday: $3,892,246
Saturday: $6,769,352
Sunday: $4,525,436
Monday: $1,153,399

Those solidified numbers are close to what the projections were, and although to my surprise the Friday numbers were lower than projected, the small gains above the projections for Saturday and Sunday more than made up for Friday.

Projections:
Friday: $3,920,000
Saturday: $6,771,000
Sunday: $4,368,000



So... At a current worldwide take of $990,831,123, we have to discount $1,153,399 from that number when figuring if Episode 8 actually hit a Billion after it's 4th weekend. This might be impossible at this stage to actually figure though, because other countries might post numbers after the weekend before the ones who haven't even reported the weekend numbers yet. Infinitely more impossible if that occurs with the "rest of world" countries who don't have any financials listed.


I guess at this point the answer to the question "Did Episode 8 Break a Billion Dollars After Four Weekends?" might forever be shrouded in mystery.








But in other related news...

Joker continues to embarrass Episode 8.

Joker's 4th Monday: 1,768,872
Episode 8's 4th Monday: $1,153,399

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, January 15, 2020 4:09 AM

This took a bit of work, but now with a template down it should be easier to add if I feel like making a bigger joke of Episode 8 than it's already made of itself.

Here we have a day by day comparison of Joker and Episode 8, including total gross per day, the date of that day for each respective movie, total amount of theaters and total gross per theater per day.


KEY:
B.O DAYS = Day of the week / which week by number
T # = Number of theaters shown
GrP T = Gross per theater

TROSw = The Rise of Skywalker



B.O. DAYS -- MOVIE / DATE / GROSS ---/ T # / GrP T / MOVIE / DATE / GROSS ---/ T # / GrP T
1st Friday - JOKER Oct 04 $39,350,693 4,374 $8,997 / TROSw Dec 20 $89,615,288 4,406 $20339
1st Saturd - JOKER Oct 05 $32,476,803 4,374 $7,425 / TROSw Dec 21 $47,467,565 4,406 $10773
1st Sunday - JOKER Oct 06 $24,374,841 4,374 $5,573 / TROSw Dec 22 $40,301,011 4,406 $9,147
1st Monday - JOKER Oct 07 $ 9,702,049 4,374 $2,218 / TROSw Dec 23 $29,389,847 4,406 $6,670
1st Tuesda - JOKER Oct 08 $13,908,626 4,374 $3,180 / TROSw Dec 24 $20,270,474 4,406 $4,601
1st Wednes - JOKER Oct 09 $ 9,611,712 4,374 $2,197 / TROSw Dec 25 $32,165,681 4,406 $7,300
1st Thursd - JOKER Oct 10 $ 8,304,063 4,374 $1,899 / TROSw Dec 26 $30,586,950 4,406 $6,942
2nd Friday - JOKER Oct 11 $16,906,386 4,374 $3,865 / TROSw Dec 27 $26,069,973 4,406 $5,917
2nd Saturd - JOKER Oct 12 $22,137,778 4,374 $5,061 / TROSw Dec 28 $25,075,535 4,406 $5,691
2nd Sunday - JOKER Oct 13 $16,817,239 4,374 $3,845 / TROSw Dec 29 $21,244,082 4,406 $4,822
2nd Monday - JOKER Oct 14 $ 8,345,763 4,374 $1,908 / TROSw Dec 30 $15,302,130 4,406 $3,473
2nd Tuesda - JOKER Oct 15 $ 6,973,525 4,374 $1,594 / TROSw Dec 31 $13,217,698 4,406 $3,000
2nd Wednes - JOKER Oct 16 $ 4,910,895 4,374 $1,123 / TROSw Jan 01 $17,076,472 4,406 $3,876
2nd Thursd - JOKER Oct 17 $ 4,203,631 4,374 $__961 / TROSw Jan 02 $ 9,274,735 4,406 $2,105
3rd Friday - JOKER Oct 18 $ 8,584,376 4,090 $2,099 / TROSw Jan 03 $11,038,440 4,406 $2,505
3rd Saturd - JOKER Oct 19 $12,441,546 4,090 $3,042 / TROSw Jan 04 $14,319,903 4,406 $3,250
3rd Sunday - JOKER Oct 20 $ 8,225,918 4,090 $2,011 / TROSw Jan 05 $ 9,166,472 4,406 $2,080
3rd Monday - JOKER Oct 21 $ 2,742,836 4,090 $__671 / TROSw Jan 06 $ 2,978,242 4,406 $__676
3rd Tuesda - JOKER Oct 22 $ 3,801,598 4,090 $__929 / TROSw Jan 07 $ 3,981,109 4,406 $__904
3rd Wednes - JOKER Oct 23 $ 2,450,143 4,090 $__599 / TROSw Jan 08 $ 2,403,487 <

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Thursday, January 16, 2020 5:01 PM

How Colin Trevorrow’s "Duel of Fates" Star Wars 9 draft fixes "Rise of Skywalker"’s biggest problems

In the alternate version, Palpatine is poised as an ethereal threat, the former Emperor corrupting Kylo with words rather than being bafflingly resurrected. A villain pulling the strings from beyond the grave is far scarier than one coming back from the dead to play puppet-master; a shade of subtlety that is sorely lacking from "The Rise of Skywalker".

More importantly, the sequel trilogy’s characters get room to forge their own paths in "Duel of Fates" instead of having to endlessly deal with what came before. Kylo ignores Force Ghost Luke’s cries to return to the Light, and finally embraces his own mantra from The Last Jedi: “Let the past die, kill it if you have to.” In contrast, Palpatine becomes all-consuming in "The Rise of Skywalker", and various secondary plots and characters melt away as the Emperor becomes the focus. Even the sequel trilogy’s big mystery – the identity of Rey’s parents – becoming inexplicably tied to Palpatine.

The structure also feels vastly improved. Gone is the Sith planet of Exegol, sign-posted as the finale’s destination 10 minutes into "Rise of Skywalker". In its place, a series of classic Star Wars set-pieces, including BB-8 hijacking a Star Destroyer and Chewie riding an X-Wing. A series of daring escapades and suicide missions feels far more exciting than the paint-by-numbers MacGuffin chase we did get.

More at www.gamesradar.com/star-wars-leak-duel-of-the-fates-colin-trevorrow-j-
j-abrams
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, January 17, 2020 4:15 AM

Bah... nobody cares.

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Friday, January 17, 2020 7:38 AM

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Friday, January 17, 2020 7:50 AM

Yeah... Like I thought...

We're over a billion as of yesterday with a slight uptick today, but even though a lot of countries are now reporting for the 15th, we still have many that haven't reported since the 10th or even before that date.


The current total is $1,001,947,706, but that includes over $4 Million from the US Box office Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday night and can't be included for the weekend numbers. And now that there are 15 of the top countries reporting new numbers from the 15th and the 16th, it would be impossible to figure out if it actually hit a billion over the weekend or not.



I wanted to give it the benefit of the doubt here, but I'm beginning to think that it did not. Even though there are quite a few top countries that still haven't reported numbers since the 10th or earlier, including Russia, Netherlands, New Zealand and Hong Kong which combined account for $10-$11 Million gross total so far, all of the top 10 countries on the graph in the international tab have not only given numbers for the weekend, but they've also added the 14th on there as well since the reports are up to date as of the 15th.

Not only would the countries who have not reported have to make up the $2+ Million shy the movie is from a Billion if you discount Monday through Wednesday in the US, but you'd also have to discount any Box Office numbers of foreign countries after Sunday night as well, including Monday and Tuesday nights take in the top 10 performing foreign countries.

Looks like we're safe to laugh at Disney's expense on this one. I sure won't hold it against you.





Oh... and I'm not going to bother updating the graph for just two days, but it looks as though Joker's spanking of Episode 8 in their respective Fourth weeks is the new norm in both overall box office numbers and per theater averages.

In fact, Episode 8's Fourth Week numbers are looking much more comparable to Joker's 5th week numbers.

Could we actually see it fall a full week or more behind Joker next week? I'm betting on yes.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, January 17, 2020 7:05 PM

FIRST THROUGH FOURTH WEEK BREAKDOWN VS. JOKER:


KEY:
B.O DAYS = Day of the week / which week by number
T # = Number of theaters shown
GrP T = Gross per theater

TROSw = The Rise of Skywalker


B.O. DAYS -- MOVIE / GROSS ---/ T # / GrP T / MOVIE / GROSS ---/ T # / GrP T

WEEK 1:
____________________________________________________________________________

1st Friday - JOKER $39,350,693 4,374 $8,997 / TROSw $89,615,288 4,406 $20339
1st Saturd - JOKER $32,476,803 4,374 $7,425 / TROSw $47,467,565 4,406 $10773
1st Sunday - JOKER $24,374,841 4,374 $5,573 / TROSw $40,301,011 4,406 $9,147
1st Monday - JOKER $ 9,702,049 4,374 $2,218 / TROSw $29,389,847 4,406 $6,670
1st Tuesda - JOKER $13,908,626 4,374 $3,180 / TROSw $20,270,474 4,406 $4,601
1st Wednes - JOKER $ 9,611,712 4,374 $2,197 / TROSw $32,165,681 4,406 $7,300
1st Thursd - JOKER $ 8,304,063 4,374 $1,899 / TROSw $30,586,950 4,406 $6,942

WEEK 2:
____________________________________________________________________________

2nd Friday - JOKER $16,906,386 4,374 $3,865 / TROSw $26,069,973 4,406 $5,917
2nd Saturd - JOKER $22,137,778 4,374 $5,061 / TROSw $25,075,535 4,406 $5,691
2nd Sunday - JOKER $16,817,239 4,374 $3,845 / TROSw $21,244,082 4,406 $4,822
2nd Monday - JOKER $ 8,345,763 4,374 $1,908 / TROSw $15,302,130 4,406 $3,473
2nd Tuesda - JOKER $ 6,973,525 4,374 $1,594 / TROSw $13,217,698 4,406 $3,000
2nd Wednes - JOKER $ 4,910,895 4,374 $1,123 / TROSw $17,076,472 4,406 $3,876
2nd Thursd - JOKER $ 4,203,631 4,374 $__961 / TROSw $ 9,274,735 4,406 $2,105

WEEK 3:
____________________________________________________________________________

3rd Friday - JOKER $ 8,584,376 4,090 $2,099 / TROSw $11,038,440 4,406 $2,505
3rd Saturd - JOKER $12,441,546 4,090 $3,042 / TROSw $14,319,903 4,406 $3,250
3rd Sunday - JOKER $ 8,225,918 4,090 $2,011 / TROSw $ 9,166,472 4,406 $2,080
3rd Monday - JOKER $ 2,742,836 4,090 $__671 / TROSw $ 2,978,242 4,406 $__676
3rd Tuesda - JOKER $ 3,801,598 4,090 $__929 / TROSw $ 3,981,109 4,406 $__904
3rd Wednes - JOKER $ 2,450,143 4,090 $__599 / TROSw $ 2,403,487 4,406 $__546
3rd Thursd - JOKER $ 2,413,101 4,090 $__590 / TROSw $ 2,165,596 4,406

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Saturday, January 18, 2020 9:08 PM

OOOF...

Though the Skywalker page itself hasn't been updated yet, there are some preliminary predictions on select movies already. It looks as though Episode 8 might not have even cracked $2 Million on Friday night.

https://www.the-numbers.com/daily-box-office-chart

(3) - Star Wars: The Rise of Sk… - $1,978,000 - 3,058 theaters - $647 per theater.

Two things to note:

1. Although it's showing currently that TROSw was number three at the BO last night, that almost certainly won't be the case when all the numbers are in. Jumanji isn't even up on the board yet. We'll have to wait and see if it loses to Jumanji or not.

2. $647 per theater on Friday is pretty damning. That would mean it lost to Joker's same Friday per theater take by a whopping $437 despite being shown at roughly 500 less theaters last night, and the total of $1,978,000 for the night leaves fairly little chance that it will meet the $10M weekend B.O. expectations. It is also barely half of what Joker made on it's 5th Friday ($3,810,641).


Too early to tell, I suppose, but the-numbers usually isn't very far off the mark when they put any numbers on their page.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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