STAR WARS Episode 9: The Final Abortion
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UPDATED: Wednesday, February 26, 2025 15:30
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The whole Disney trilogy was , in a word, lazy. They had no purpose to continue the story after ROTJ. The initial cast of new characters did, in my opinion, looked very promising. But beyond that, there was nothing the writers or directors had story wise which resembled Star Wars in the least.
The Disney Trilogy was one retcon job on top of another. If incoherent plots and short attention span theatre is what passes for movie making for kids, then by all means, go enjoy.
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Quote:My parents didn't go with me and my sister, but they sent us to "Have Rocket -- Will Travel" (1959), a Three Stooges movie which isn't up to the standards of Star Wars 9, proving that Hollywood has gotten better at making movies for children in the last 60 years. Parents should drop their kids off at Star Wars then do something else, as did my parents with "Have Rocket -- Will Travel".
Originally posted by AURaptor:
If incoherent plots and short attention span theatre is what passes for movie making for kids, then by all means, go enjoy.
www.imdb.com/title/tt0052880/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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So you're comparing a modern day space saga to a 1959 slap stick comedy staring the 3 Stooges, on the tail end of their career?
Just wow.
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Quote:Hollywood understands that the audience is different for adult scifi and juvenile scifi. For adults, Hollywood made Ad Astra. For children, Star Wars.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
So you're comparing a modern day space saga to a 1959 slap stick comedy staring the 3 Stooges, on the tail end of their career?
Just wow.
www.imdb.com/title/tt2935510/
When adults go to juvenile movies, e.g. Star Wars 9, expecting adult entertainment, they are wanting too much. Hollywood can make a well written and acted movie for children, but to make one is difficult and the kids, the target audience, don't know the difference. Why bother writing and rewriting the script if you are in a hurry, have other projects going simultaneously, and are already fabulously wealthy?
Young, poor, and ambitious George Lucas rewrote Star Wars over and over starting in Jan 1973, but he didn't try that hard for the last 3 Star Wars scripts he wrote and it showed. He had grown rich, fat, lazy and didn't give a damn. Star Wars 9 had to cranked out in two years by another rich man, J.J. Abrams, who doesn't give a damn, either. Under schedule pressure, he is not going to keep rewriting until the script is for adults. He will stop when it is good enough for kids.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_(film)#Writing
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Probably shouldn't spend half a billion dollars producing and marketing a kid's movie.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:That kind of thinking will keep you poor. To get rich, make another kid's movie as fast as possible. There was only 2 years between Star Wars 8 and 9. The gap between the first Star Wars in 1977 and second was 3 years.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Probably shouldn't spend half a billion dollars producing and marketing a kid's movie.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
1977 $322.74M Metascore 90
1980 $290.48M Metascore 82
1983 $309.13M Metascore 58
Each Star Wars movie got crappier, but still made money, which is the ENTIRE point of Hollywood, a point which it certainly does not like to remind ticket buyers.
www.imdb.com/list/ls070150896/
Star Wars 8
Budget
$317,000,000
WORLDWIDE Ticket Sales
$1,332,539,889 EQUALS WEALTH.
www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt2527336/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Hollywood doesn't understand jack squat! Just look at the trail of suck we've witnesses lately, from the Disney trilogy, Terminator: Dark Fate, Charlie's Angels, all chick Ghostbusters, CATS... whoa boy, I could go on.
And this claim that " it's a children's story " is outright nonsense. That's just retconning so Lucas could make more money, starting w/ introducing the Ewoks. After TESB, it was all down hill from there.
Now, want to know a story which WAS made for children? The Hobbit, released in 1937. But kids were more educated and mature back then, apparently.
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Quote:I was reading about a playwright, Stephen Adly Guirgis. He wants to give the audience something valuable for their money. And he writes about things he cares about. Hollywood does it exactly backwards, compared to Guirgis. Hollywood wants to take as much of your money as possible and give you no value in return. Oh, and obviously to me, Hollywood does NOT care a damn about the subject of their movies, which are just devices to separate you from your money, kind of like slot machines with the flashing lights and sound effects distracting you from the fact that none of it means a damn thing.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Hollywood doesn't understand jack squat! Just look at the trail of suck we've witnesses lately, from the Disney trilogy, Terminator: Dark Fate, Charlie's Angels, all chick Ghostbusters, CATS... whoa boy, I could go on.
And this claim that " it's a children's story " is outright nonsense. That's just retconning so Lucas could make more money, starting w/ introducing the Ewoks. After TESB, it was all down hill from there.
Now, want to know a story which WAS made for children? The Hobbit, released in 1937. But kids were more educated and mature back then, apparently.
Here is the playwright: "How Stephen Adly Guirgis writes some of the best dialogue in American theater"
www.vox.com/culture/2019/12/26/20994261/stephen-adly-guirgis-interview
-halfway-bitches-go-straight-to-heaven
The Pulitzer-winning playwright’s latest, Halfway Bitches Go Straight to Heaven, returns to his themes of grace, fear, and the possibility of redemption.
Since a Star Wars movie is dubbed/subtitled into 20 languages, there is no time for complex dialogue or ideas that are not extremely simple to explain -- "Chewie! Shoot!" "The Deathstar will destroy your planet." "Luke, I am your Father." See? Simple. Easy to translate into 20 languages.
Star Wars 9 quotes will demonstrate how simple-minded the ideas driving the Star Wars series are. It is kid-sized and, in the final analysis, only says hate is bad, love is good and a coherent plot for adults is far too much effort to expect from a scriptwriter for a kid's movie: www.imdb.com/title/tt2527338/quotes/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Hollywood may be totally screwed up, but Burbank has never let anyone down.
(btw, I met Lisa Loring at a Megacon Sci Fi Convention a few years ago and she was wonderful. She still looks great and was very friendly.)
And then there's the best tv ever had.....
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