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Quote:Everyone who claimed that the NSA had a gargantuan database of illegally-obtained electronic communications, including Alex Jones, was smeared as a "conspiracy theorist"
(Reuters) - The U.S. government may collect information about U.S. citizens without obtaining a warrant if the information is gathered inadvertently while legally carrying out surveillance of non-nationals abroad, a U.S. appeals court ruled on Wednesday.
The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York ruled in an appeal by Agron Hasbajrami, a U.S. resident arrested in 2011 and who later pleaded guilty to a charge of attempting to provide material support to a terrorist organization.
Hasbajrami challenged the charges, questioning whether the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) had legally obtained information about him without a warrant.
The “incidental collection” of Americans’ communications by NSA electronic dragnet that explicitly targets people abroad and without U.S. ties was permissible under the U.S. Constitution, the court ruled. It also said, however, that examining the content of databases of stored NSA information
Quote:Evidence that law enforcement agencies subsequently concoct a series of warrants and "flips" to account for illegally-obtained evidence.
could violate the Constitution’s Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable searches and seizures.
The court said the “vast majority” of evidence prosecutors had used against Hasbajrami was “lawfully collected,” but prosecutors did not provide information to the trial court about whether investigators had “queried” NSA databases.
Quote:as revaled by a true whistleblower, Ed Snowden, who is being treated like criminal by the DNC
The NSA surveillance program is sometimes called PRISM
Quote:Because it's just plain fucking embarassing when a surveiilance agency is caught MASSIVELY violating the Constitition, and this embarassment must not be allowed to stand!
, which gathers data from tech and telecom companies under court supervision and under the authority of section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) but without individual warrants.
“We are gratified by the Court’s remand to resolve a critical factual and constitutional question in this case, as well as its recognition of the important constitutional issues that FISA section 702 raises for everyone. We look forward to the next stage of the litigation,” Hasbajrami’s lawyer Joshua Dratel said in a statement.
A spokesman for federal prosecutors in Brooklyn declined to comment.
The case of Hasbajrami, arrested at New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport as he attempted to board a flight to Turkey, was returned to the trial court for a determination about whether evidence against him was lawfully collected and admissible under the Fourth Amendment. Prosecutors said Hasbajrami communicated by email with a non-American overseas, who he believed was associated with a terrorist organization.
Documents detailing NSA telephone and internet surveillance were leaked by former agency contractor Edward Snowden in 2013. Although he is viewed by some as a hero who upheld the U.S. Constitution, authorities want him to stand trial over his disclosures of classified information.
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“While we disagree with the court’s ruling that the NSA can collect Americans’ international communications without a warrant ... the court rightly finds that the Fourth Amendment applies when the government searches for that sensitive information in intelligence databases,” said American Civil Liberties Union lawyer Patrick Toomey, who filed a brief in the case.
Finally, the ACLU got its head unstuck from its ass, where it's been hiding for ten years.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-courts-surveillance/warrant-not
-always-needed-for-inadvertent-nsa-surveillance-of-americans-u-s-court-idUSKBN1YN02U
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Quote:Why move? We've got Russia right here! May as well call us the USSA!
Originally posted by THG: Anyone who would rather live in Russia say so now.
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Quote:Gigantic databases of people’s movements are valuable commodities in the era of information supremacy, and all that location data eventually ends up in the hands of companies who can sell it to the highest bidder. The New York Times recently got hold of one such database, which holds 50 billion pings of 12 million people, and they were pretty shocked by just how easily they could use it to follow anyone they put their minds to.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Everyone who claimed that the NSA had a gargantuan database of illegally-obtained electronic communications, including Alex Jones, was smeared as a "conspiracy theorist"
But wait. Isn’t all this data anonymized? It’s not like each ping includes your name and Social Security number. Think again:
In most cases, ascertaining a home location and an office location was enough to identify a person. Consider your daily commute: Would any other smartphone travel directly between your house and your office every day?…Yet companies continue to claim that the data are anonymous. In marketing materials and at trade conferences, anonymity is a major selling point — key to allaying concerns over such invasive monitoring.
To evaluate the companies’ claims, we turned most of our attention to identifying people in positions of power. With the help of publicly available information, like home addresses, we easily identified and then tracked scores of notables. We followed military officials with security clearances as they drove home at night. We tracked law enforcement officers as they took their kids to school. We watched high-powered lawyers (and their guests) as they traveled from private jets to vacation properties. We did not name any of the people we identified without their permission.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/12/your-every-move-is-being-tracke
d-seriously/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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SECOND, thanks for clouding the issue, again. I know you love Big Brother, too, and are always sticking up for it when it promotes the DNC's current projects.
The NSA has ILLEGALLY OBTAINED CONTENT OF COMMUNICATIONS.
They did this by TAPPING INTO MAJOR NETWORK TRUNK LINES (ILLEGALLY INSTALLING SPLITTERS) STARTING WITH GWB AND AT&T, AND CONTINUTING UNDER THAT "CONSTITUTIONAL LAWYER" OBAMA.
This was CLEARLY illegal action by the NSA - which BTW continues to this day no matter what anyone confabulates - so I guess now you support the illegal work of GWB?
Also, my point about Trump: The NSA has been monitoring both him personally, and his campaign. That they couldn't dig up evidence, even with that going on, tells you there was nothing there to begin with.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY
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One more comment:
I know that the FIB, CYA, and No Such Agency (NSA) have outsourced a lot of data collection to the telecoms, banks, IPSs, search engines, and internet vendors.
This data could only be used for commercial purposes and be USELESS to a government agency were it not for the agency habit of writing WARRENTLESS NATIONAL SECURITY LETTERS (NSLs), which are secret demands for information. Now, these commercial entities could require seeing a warrant before they comply, but because the government is so big and powerful, and companies depend on government cooperation, and because some of these companies are angling for big government DOD/CIA contracts, they have absolutely no problem bending you over and spreading your cheeks, without ever letting you know of course.
The FIB was required to lift gag orders on some 126 companies, but the "Justice Department" wanted to keep that list secret so that nobody would be inspired to ask about themselves!
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Companies Staying Mum on FBI Surveillance of Customers, Records Show
2019
Earlier this year, U.S. District Judge Vince Chhabria ordered the Justice Department to disclose the names of companies that had NSL gag orders lifted. He rejected arguments that such information would endanger national security or help criminals evade justice.
Following Chhabria’s order, the Justice Department agreed to reveal how many NSL gag orders it reviewed from February 2016 to September 2017, along with how many gag orders were terminated or continued, the names of companies freed from gag orders, and how many gag orders were lifted for each company.
The data showed 760 gag orders were lifted out of 11,874 reviewed, and 126 companies had at least one gag order lifted during that time period.
https://www.courthousenews.com/companies-staying-mum-on-fbi-surveillan
ce-of-customers-records-show/
The warrantless surveillance is underpinned by Section 702 of the FISA Act ...
https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/09/14/q-us-warrantless-surveillance-unde
r-section-702-foreign-intelligence-surveillance
... which both Dems and Repubs have been more than willing to hustle through. Nothing like bipartisanship to screw the American people!
Quote:https://theintercept.com/2018/01/17/fisa-section-702-nsa-internet-surv
The motio, which both Dems and Repubs have been more than willing to hustle throughn, which passed 60-38, virtually guarantees that the final bill will pass likely later this week and quashes any opportunity to debate whether protections should be added. Eighteen Democrats — including Sen. Dianne Feinstein, who had previously proposed an amendment to restrict the FBI’s surveillance authority — voted in support of the motion. They were joined by 41 Republicans and one independent, Angus King, giving the pro-surveillance bloc the supermajority needed to push the bill forward.
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We have a surveillance state that is the equal of the KGB or the Stasi, and ramping up to the equivalent of the Chinese social credit score. And THUGR and SECOND are all on board with that.
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I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY
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Quote:Not only the NSA, but the entire world, including corporations, could be listening in on Trump's private conversations and tracking his location on the golf course:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, thanks for clouding the issue, again. I know you love Big Brother, too, and are always sticking up for it when it promotes the DNC's current projects.
The NSA has ILLEGALLY OBTAINED CONTENT OF COMMUNICATIONS.
They did this by TAPPING INTO MAJOR NETWORK TRUNK LINES (ILLEGALLY INSTALLING SPLITTERS) STARTING WITH GWB AND AT&T, AND CONTINUTING UNDER THAT "CONSTITUTIONAL LAWYER" OBAMA.
This was CLEARLY illegal action by the NSA - which BTW continues to this day no matter what anyone confabulates - so I guess now you support the illegal work of GWB?
Also, my point about Trump: The NSA has been monitoring both him personally, and his campaign. That they couldn't dig up evidence, even with that going on, tells you there was nothing there to begin with.
When President Trump calls old friends on one of his iPhones to gossip, gripe or solicit their latest take on how he is doing, American intelligence reports indicate that Chinese spies are often listening — and putting to use invaluable insights into how to best work the president and affect administration policy, current and former American officials said.
Mr. Trump’s aides have repeatedly warned him that his cellphone calls are not secure, and they have told him that Russian spies are routinely eavesdropping on the calls, as well. But aides say the voluble president, who has been pressured into using his secure White House landline more often these days, has still refused to give up his iPhones. White House officials say they can only hope he refrains from discussing classified information when he is on them.
Mr. Trump’s use of his iPhones was detailed by several current and former officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity so they could discuss classified intelligence and sensitive security arrangements. The officials said they were doing so not to undermine Mr. Trump, but out of frustration with what they considered the president’s casual approach to electronic security.
American spy agencies, the officials said, had learned that China and Russia were eavesdropping on the president’s cellphone calls from human sources inside foreign governments and intercepting communications between foreign officials.
www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/us/politics/trump-phone-security.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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SIGNYM:
SECOND, thanks for clouding the issue, again. I know you love Big Brother, too, and are always sticking up for it when it promotes the DNC's current projects.
The NSA has ILLEGALLY OBTAINED CONTENT OF COMMUNICATIONS.
They did this by TAPPING INTO MAJOR NETWORK TRUNK LINES (ILLEGALLY INSTALLING SPLITTERS) STARTING WITH GWB AND AT&T, AND CONTINUTING UNDER THAT "CONSTITUTIONAL LAWYER" OBAMA.
This was CLEARLY illegal action by the NSA - which BTW continues to this day no matter what anyone confabulates - so I guess now you support the illegal work of GWB?
Also, my point about Trump: The NSA has been monitoring both him personally, and his campaign. That they couldn't dig up evidence, even with that going on, tells you there was nothing there to begin with.
SECOND: Not only the NSA, but the entire world, including corporations, could be listening in on Trump's private conversations and tracking his location on the golf course:
When President Trump calls old friends on one of his iPhones to gossip, gripe or solicit their latest take on how he is doing, American intelligence reports indicate that Chinese spies are often listening — and putting to use invaluable insights into how to best work the president and affect administration policy, current and former American officials said.
Mr. Trump’s aides have repeatedly warned him that his cellphone calls are not secure, and they have told him that Russian spies are routinely eavesdropping on the calls, as well. But aides say the voluble president, who has been pressured into using his secure White House landline more often these days, has still refused to give up his iPhones. White House officials say they can only hope he refrains from discussing classified information when he is on them.
Mr. Trump’s use of his iPhones was detailed by several current and former officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity so they could discuss classified intelligence and sensitive security arrangements. The officials said they were doing so not to undermine Mr. Trump, but out of frustration with what they considered the president’s casual approach to electronic security.
American spy agencies, the officials said, had learned that China and Russia were eavesdropping on the president’s cellphone calls from human sources inside foreign governments and intercepting communications between foreign officials.
www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/us/politics/trump-phone-security.html
So with all of this unintentional transparency -as well as all of this intrusive and illegalsurveillance - why has no one caught Trump doing anything nefarious? Why do anti-Trumpers have to rely on cocked-up "dossiers" and gossip-blowers who saw, heard, and did nothing?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY
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Quote:So, why no answer?
SIGNY: So with all of this unintentional transparency -as well as all of this intrusive and illegalsurveillance - why has no one caught Trump doing anything nefarious? Why do anti-Trumpers have to rely on cocked-up "dossiers" and gossip-blowers who saw, heard, and did nothing?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY
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Quote:Why? Because you are out of your tiny mind if you did not understand what Trump did wrong:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:So, why no answer?
SIGNY: So with all of this unintentional transparency -as well as all of this intrusive and illegalsurveillance - why has no one caught Trump doing anything nefarious? Why do anti-Trumpers have to rely on cocked-up "dossiers" and gossip-blowers who saw, heard, and did nothing?
1) https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/the_trump-ukraine_impeach
ment_inquiry_report.pdf
2) https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20191216/CRPT-116hrpt346.pdf
3) www.openmuellerreport.org/download/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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