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President Donald Trump on Tuesday added another wild document to the mountain of evidence that will be used against him when the verdict of history inevitably concludes he was unfit for office.
In a rambling six-page letter addressed to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Trump weaved together a tapestry of lies, self-pity and warped allusions to history, in an effort to craft for himself a mantle of innocence on the eve of his likely impeachment.
As ever, one wonders whether he believes all the crass nonsense he promotes or whether he's consciously, brazenly trying to deceive the public on all counts. And that leads to the next question: Which would be worse?
Above all, and in the most serious claim in a missive that is difficult to take seriously, Trump rejected the legitimacy of the impeachment process, an indispensable element of accountability, the key tool to prevent democracy from drifting into tyranny.
And in what has become one of his trademarks, Trump accused his targets of his own transgressions. The House of Representatives appears set to impeach him for obstruction of Congress and abuse of power. Trump accuses Pelosi and Democrats of the same thing.
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THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
December 17, 2019
The Honorable Nancy Pelosi
Speaker of the House of Representatives
Washington, D.C. 20515
Dear Madam Speaker:
I write to express my strongest and most powerful protest against the partisan impeachment crusade being pursued by the Democrats in the House of Representatives. This impeachment represents an unprecedented and unconstitutional abuse of power by Democrat Lawmakers, unequaled in nearly two and a half centuries of American legislative history.
The Articles of Impeachment introduced by the House Judiciary Committee are not recognizable under any standard of Constitutional theory, interpretation, or jurisprudence. They include no crimes, no misdemeanors, and no offenses whatsoever. You have cheapened the importance of the very ugly word, impeachment!
By proceeding with your invalid impeachment, you are violating your oaths of office, you are breaking your allegiance to the Constitution, and you are declaring open war on American Democracy. You dare to invoke the Founding Fathers in pursuit of this election-nullification scheme—yet your spiteful actions display unfettered contempt for America’s founding and your egregious conduct threatens to destroy that which our Founders pledged their very lives to build. Even worse than offending the Founding Fathers, you are offending Americans of faith by continually saying “I pray for the President,” when you know this statement is not true, unless it is meant in a negative sense. It is a terrible thing you are doing, but you will have to live with it, not I!
Your first claim, "Abuse of Power,” is a completely disingenuous, meritless, and baseless invention of your imagination. You know that 1 had a totally innocent conversation with the President of Ukraine. I then had a second conversation that has been misquoted, mischaracterized, and fraudulently misrepresented. Fortunately, there was a transcript of the conversation taken, and you know from the transcript (which was immediately made available) that the paragraph in question was perfect. I said to President Zelensky: "1 would like you to do us a favor, though, because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it.” I said do us a favor, not me, and our country, not a campaign. I then mentioned the Attorney General of the United States. Every time I talk with a foreign leader. I put America's interests first, just as I did with President Zelensky.
You are turning a policy disagreement between two branches of government into an impeachable offense—it is no more legitimate than the Executive Branch charging members of Congress with crimes for the lawful exercise of legislative power.
You know full well that Vice President Biden used his office and $1 billion
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I already read it.
Good for him.
Pelosi is a plague.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:"Trump repeats many falsehoods in letter to Pelosi about impeachment"
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I already read it.
Good for him.
Pelosi is a plague.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
https://bit.ly/36Kwx3U
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Mitch McConnell’s recent statement that “everything I do during this, I’m coordinating with the White House counsel. There will be no difference between the president’s position and our position as to how to handle this” is unfair to anyone who still hopes that the Senate will show itself to be at least one institution in Washington to remember its constitutional duty and act accordingly. The president should be consulted, and so should the House managers who will press their case against him at trial. But allowing either side to dictate how the trial will be conducted is the very definition of the sham proceedings that Republicans have accused Democrats of staging.
Ironically, it would also rob President Trump of a legitimate claim to the exoneration he says he deserves. If evidence would clear his name, as he says it would, then the president should have no fear of having it tested in a trial. That includes unmuzzling key witnesses in his administration and releasing the documents pertinent to his phone call with President Volodymyr Zelenskiy of Ukraine.
Democrats would have the opportunity to ask questions and the president would get the chance to provide his answers and documentation. White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney and former national security adviser John Bolton, both of whom have firsthand knowledge of the aid package to Ukraine and the president’s questions about corruption there, have been forbidden by Trump to answer questions. That's a very peculiar thing Trump did because without them testifying, Trump can't actually be exonerated. Well, Trump could do something even more peculiar: he could loudly and persistently claim he was exonerated despite forbidding the testimony that exonerates him.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Trump is being impeached today. 
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Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.
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SECOND: I read Trump's letter and agree with it in full.
So go sod off and take your fact-free viciousness and persecutions elsewhere.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY
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Because this got buried in SECOND's and THUGR'S bullshit"
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm stuck between answering SECOND with I don't give shit about your confabulations and offering a more thoughtful reply like KIKI's.
I guess I'll go with "thoughtful".
SECOND, you have to do more than throw a temper tantrum about Trump if you want to make a case. You claim that Trump ... what? Strong-armed Zelenskiy? Colluded with Russia?
Like I said before, these are real people and they have to operate in real space, not in your imaginary world. Let's look at the notion that Trump strong-armed Zelenskiy.
How did he do it? Who did he talk to? Some people (Vindeman, Ciamarella supposedly) actually listened to the phone call between Trump and Zelenskiy, but NONE of them claimed that the transcript was inaccurate. And there's nothing in the transcript that's problematic.
So you're left supposing that there were OTHER phone calls or OTHER communications. Did anyone call Ukraine? Did anyone fly there? Were there visitors to the WH or other meetings elsewhere? Who attended them? What about the OTHER end of this interaction? Anyone from Zelenskiy's office complaining? (Zelenskiy himself says no pressure.)
If the House Dems really wanted to impeach Trump, it seems to me that there were a lot of places that they could have looked, but they either didn't - or they did and found nothing because nothing was brought to Congress to warrant an impeachment.
I think the Dems were hoping to "put Trump on the stand" and have him make a fool of himself, but he wisely stayed out of it because there was absolutely no upside to trying to defend yourself over nothing.
JO, SECOND, CC, THUGR, WISHY: you can drive yourself nuts (or have someone do it for you) by repeating over and over again stuff for which there is no evidence or makes no sense. But when events happen and you want to know THE TRUTH, try and evaluate this from first principles. It's like the (apparently) staged "gas attack" in Douma (official report from which 20 OPCW inspectors are now dissenting).
There is a gas attack - what kind of footprint and evidence does is leave? The munitions (cylindes, chemical weapons shells, rocket bodies and so forth), the symptoms of the victims, and the residues of the chemical weapons themselves - not only in the bodies and blood of the victims but also in their hair, clothes, and environmental samples.
Same with with "collusion" ... these people aren't communicating using telepathy. There have to be contacts, phone calls, tranmsissions, meetings, emails ...
MH17 - metal fatigue and microfractures indicating the speed of rupture (was it an explosion? High explosive? Decompression?) The damage holes, debris field, trace metal found on edges of damage holes, satellite imagery and ground-based radar, black box recording, shrapnel found on the ground, etc etc.
Start from first principles. Imagine the event and ALL of the necessary steps that would leave traces. Create a bit of a checklist BEFORE you start parsing the news. Think about what would be necessary to convince a reasonable person (you) that something happened. Remember, you can never prove a negative, so you will never find proof that NOTHING happened: You can always "what if" yourself into ever-less-likely scenarios. That way leads to paranoia so don't do that. Try to reel in your "what ifs" baxk to reality.
Don't be satisfied if only one or two (OR NONE) of the possible evidence is discussed
And be ESPECIALLY WARY wary if the accusers toss up a lot of distractions and emotional appeals OR FAKE STORIES, or if the accusations keep shifting faster than you can track them, because if that happens, you are likely dealing with a PROPAGANDA CAMPAIGN.
In the Saddam had WMD hoax .. well, most pieces of "evidence" brought forward (Those aluminum tubes weren't forNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
When witnesses are called to testify, the procedures say, “the President and his counsel shall be invited to attend all hearings, including any held in executive session” — and that Trump’s counsel will have the right to raise objections to “the examination of witnesses or to the admissibility of testimony and evidence.”
Trump not only refused to participate but he blocked all those who the democrats subpoenaed from testifying. Some chose to testify anyway. He further blocked all documents from being turned over while claiming at the same time he did nothing wrong.
Yet sig says Trump in a letter claiming his innocence is enough proof for her. I think not comrade.
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Quote:Jeez, another swamp-supporting maroon. (And that's an insult to maroons everywhere.)
Yet sig says Trump in a letter claiming his innocence is enough proof for her. I think not comrade
I posted that I AGREE with Trump's letter, not that I'm using it as PROOF of anything, ya maroon. I looked into the so-called testimony against Trump and it was an empty bag. The articles of impeachment are meaningless ... a hollow charade. I have other sources of info - more reliable than Trump and more reliable that whoever the fuck it is YOU listen to ... and I have a pretty good view of what's going on. And I apply way more thought and logic and I'm certainly more objective than you, and far less biased than the partisan hacks (of both parties) in Congress.
For example, while Trump or counsel could have responded to the witnesses that the Dims called, they could not call witnesses of their own. So they could not bring the original "gossip blower", Eric Ciamarella, to the stand. Why respond to a cavalcade of gossip-mongers, because that is what they all were: In Fiona Hill's own words they saw nothing, heard nothing, and did nothing. And if you had two neurons to rub together you would have noticed that too, so I can only conclude that you have only one neuron.
The articles of impeachment? Have been scaled back from "quid pro quo" and "blackmail" and "extortion" and "bribery" to mumbles and whispers because the Dims know there's no "there" there. Otherwise they would have nailed Trump with something real.
One more thing, oh witless one, when you post that
Quote:you might want to wonder what those "dedicated ... professionals" are dedicated TO. Because from where I sit, their activities have nothing to do with the protection of the USA and especially not protecting our Constitution.
Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.
Winter's coming, THUGR.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY
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Quote:
sig
you might want to wonder what those "dedicated ... professionals" are dedicated TO. Because from where I sit, their activities have nothing to do with the protection of the USA and especially not protecting our Constitution.
Winter's coming, THUGR.
Russia GDP
$416.80 billion
Ranked 12th.
U.S. GDP
$2.45 trillion
Ranked 1st. 6 times more than Russia
When Trump is gone, Russia's winter will occur comrade sig. I suggest you stock up on supplies.
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