Countdown Clock to Trumps impeachment " STARTS"
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Quote:MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fisa-court-slams-fbi-rare-public-s
In Stunning Public Rebuke, FISA Court Slams FBI, Says Worried About 'Other Warrants'
The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court slammed the FBI on Tuesday in a rare public statement over the agency's handling of former Trump campaign aide Carter Page's warrant application and subsequent renewals, according to the Wall Street Journal.
"In order to appreciate the seriousness of that misconduct and its implications, it is useful to understand certain procedural and substantive requirements that apply to the government's conduct of electronic surveillance for foreign intelligence purposes," reads the statement.
The punchline: "The FBI's handling of the Carter Page applications, as portrayed in the OIG report, was antithetical to the hieghtned duty of candor" required by federal investigators, adding "The frequency with which representations made by FBI personnel turned out to be unsupported or contradicted by information in their possession, and with which they withheld information detrimental to their case, calls into question whether information contained in other FBI applications is reliable," wrote the court, which called the recent watchdog report from the DOJ's Inspector General "troubling."
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Secretive Surveillance Court Rebukes FBI Over Handling of Wiretapping of Trump Aide
Presiding judge describes recent Inspector General report as ‘troubling’
By Byron Tau and
Dustin Volz
Updated Dec. 17, 2019 6:59 pm ET
WASHINGTON—A secret surveillance court issued a rare public order on Tuesday rebuking the Federal Bureau of Investigation for its handling of applications to wiretap Carter Page, a one-time Trump campaign foreign-policy adviser whose monitoring by the government has become the subject of significant public controversy.
Judge Rosemary Collyer, the presiding judge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, called the actions of the FBI “antithetical to the heightened duty of candor” owed to the court by government agents....
https://www.wsj.com/articles/secretive-surveillance-court-rebukes-fbi-
over-handling-of-surveillance-of-trump-aide-11576615299
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY
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President Sends Six-Page Letter of Randomly Capitalized Ranting to Speaker of the House
The full text from Trump is at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/12/trump-pelosi-letter-americ
an-dignity-toilet.html
For me it is a pleasure knowing that the president has trouble writing down thoughts, even when the thoughts have already had repeated to him hundreds of times by both loyalists in Congress and prime-time Fox hosts.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:You, uh, EVER going to make good on your
... in Texas the crazy people who vote for Republicans show up to vote 100% of the time in every election. ...
FLIES SHIT.
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Quote:Signym, all that lovely physical evidence you want? That evidence is exactly like Nixon's Watergate Tapes or Trump's tax returns. The President has control of the physical evidence. Only the Supreme Court can order Trump to turn over the physical evidence to Congress. In Nixon's case, when he was ordered by the Court, he did turn over evidence. In Trump's case, the Court has not yet ruled. Even when it does, maybe in a year, Trump won't obey. The Supreme Court does not have an Army to burst into the White House and take the physical evidence out of Trump's tiny little hands. On the other hand, people who have seen the evidence, but could not place the evidence in their brief cases and remove it from the White House, have testified to what the evidence is. You can read about it here:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Multiple impeachment witnesses lied their asses off.
If you look at transcripts of what the witnesses saw and heard, you would have figured out that they saw and heard NOTHING. Where is the EVIDENCE of any wrongdoing? Memos? Transcripts? Visitor logs? Flight logs? Telephone records?
Hello...? Earth to SECOND?
Yep, SECOND is doing its level best to not address the problem of lack of evidence. Plus, it's a fucking liar.
https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20191216/CRPT-116hrpt346.pdf
And here:
https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/the_trump-ukraine_impeach
ment_inquiry_report.pdf
Interested in the Watergate Tapes? The Nixon Library has them! Thank the Supreme Court for ordering Nixon not to destroy the Tapes in order to keep evidence away from Congress. If Nixon had ignored the Court, he would have finished his second term in office. Trump knows this, too. I expect Trump to destroy physical evidence, deny he did it, claim it is only misplaced or never existed. In the case of his tax returns, Trump will continue claims that his tax lawyers won't let him release the returns until the IRS audit is complete. The audit will never be completed.
www.nixonlibrary.gov/watergate-trial-tapes
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Not true. In the case of the so-called "collusion" the FBI, and presumbaly the CIA and NSA (because of international communications) were all available to find and develop physical evidence, and not only that, they had a warrant to do it.
SIGNY: Multiple impeachment witnesses lied their asses off.
If you look at transcripts of what the witnesses saw and heard, you would have figured out that they saw and heard NOTHING. Where is the EVIDENCE of any wrongdoing? Memos? Transcripts? Visitor logs? Flight logs? Telephone records?
Hello...? Earth to SECOND?
Yep, SECOND is doing its level best to not address the problem of lack of evidence. Plus, it's a fucking liar.
SECOND: Signym, all that lovely physical evidence you want? That evidence is exactly like Nixon's Watergate Tapes or Trump's tax returns. The President has control of the physical evidence.
Same thing with Ukraine: There were multiple people involved in Ukraine as well as Trump in the USA with documents and records of their own.
Jeez, you're stupid. I mean, you yourself said that you hired a PI to investigate people. Why do you think the spook agencies with all of the tools at their disposal couldn't find evidence?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY
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lol
I guess Second thinks that Trump has the entire IRS locked up in a vault or something.
Do you guys thing he's self aware of how stupid he is?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:If you recall, Trump refused to send anybody, either a lawyer, or one of his own people who knew all Trump's story/history with Ukraine, or any physical evidence such as a recording that exonerates him to those House committee meetings on impeachment.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Not true. In the case of the so-called "collusion" the FBI, and presumbaly the CIA and NSA (because of international communications) were all available to find and develop physical evidence, and not only that, they had a warrant to do it.
Same thing with Ukraine: There were multiple people involved in Ukraine as well as Trump in the USA with documents and records of their own.
Jeez, you're stupid.
Signym, what Trump did by withholding all evidence and all testimony was stupid as hell if he was innocent, but it was very clever if he wasn't. Same is true about his tax returns. By keeping his returns a secret, clever Trump can claim anything he wants about them. He can claim to be 10-times richer than he actually is, if he felt like it made him look better. But if Trump was not really a tax cheater, and as rich as he claims, he would allow the public a view of his returns.
What Trump did was equivalent to Nixon claiming there was never such a thing as the Watergate Tapes. Nixon wasn't that dishonest. To his sorrow, Nixon actually did admit the Tapes existed. Do you really think Trump didn't record his phone conversations with Ukraine? (I know he is a crooked business man but I record my calls because I'm not a crook.)
Trump falsely claims he only has one vague transcript of the "perfect conversation" with Ukraine and everybody who testified about listening to Trump's conversation are liars. Nobody who knows where the recording is will be testifying because that is how Trump wants it. Smart move by Trump, if he wants to claim the call was innocent.
Maybe Ukraine will someday share their recordings of Trump, but only after Trump is out of power and can't retaliate against them.
"White House Ukraine Expert Sought to Correct Transcript of Trump Call"
www.nytimes.com/2019/10/29/us/politics/alexander-vindman-trump-ukraine
.html
Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman, who heard President Trump’s July phone call with Ukraine’s president and was alarmed, testified that he tried and failed to add key details to the rough transcript.
"White House transcript of Trump's first phone call with Ukrainian President"
www.cnn.com/2019/11/15/politics/read-white-house-transcript-trump-zele
nsky-call/index.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Nobody gives a fuck dude. Let it go.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I got curious and looked up what these supposed groundbreaking documents might be. Now, SECOND's link didn't say anything about documents specifically (it was generically 'documents and testimony'), but it did reference the report and cited very specific page references https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/the_trump-ukraine_impeach
ment_inquiry_report.pdf 216-227, 229.
So I looked them up and scanned though them They are NOTHING that the 'Intelligence' Committee doesn't already have through other means, if they exist at all. For example, they seem to want WH communications with Vindman (and other people who've testified). But Vindman has already testified - twice (once in the closed door testimony and once in the public testimony) - about his communications. And there were none. He was asked under oath if he ever had any direct communication with Trump. And under oath he said no.
In fact - having watched/ listened to the testimony, NOBODY but Sondland every talked directly with Trump about Ukraine. The testimony was filled with "I came to the understanding ...", "I was told that Pence wanted ..." It was all someone's OPINION about what they thought Trump might want, and second, third, ... nth hand GOSSIP.
As for Sondland, the one time he asked Trump directly, Trump told him "I WANT NOTHING."
And yanno - it's the intelligence arm of the Deep State that wants to take Trump down. If they had the goods, they would use them.
FLIES SHIT.
It makes me curious why SECOND is posting all this ridiculous stuff. Does he think it's going to change reality?
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I'm stuck between answering SECOND with I don't give shit about your confabulations and offering a more thoughtful reply like KIKI's.
I guess I'll go with "thoughtful".
SECOND, you have to do more than throw a temper tantrum about Trump is you want to make a case. You claim that Trump ... what? Strong-armed Zelenskiy? Colluded with Russia?
Like I said before, these are real people and they have to operate in real space, not in your imaginary world. Let's look at the notion that Trump strong-armed Zelenskiy.
How did he do it? Who did he talk to? Some people (Vindeman, Ciamarella supposedly) actually listened to the phone call between Trump and Zelenskiy, but NONE of them claimed that the transcript was inaccurate. And there's nothing in the transcript that's problematic.
So you're left supposing that there were OTHER phone calls or OTHER communications. Did anyone call Ukraine? Did anyone fly there? Were there visitors to the WH or other meetings elsewhere? Who attended them? What about the OTHER end of this interaction? Anyone from Zelenskiy's office complaining? (Zelenskiy himself says no pressure.)
If the House Dems really wanted to impeach Trump, it seems to me that there were a lot of places that they could have looked, but they either didn't - or they did and found nothing because nothing was brought to Congress to warrant an impeachment.
I think the Dems were hoping to "put Trump on the stand" and have him make a fool of himself, but he wisely stayed out of it because there was absolutely no upside to trying to defend yourself over nothing.
JO, SECOND, CC, THUGR, WISHY: you can drive yourself nuts (or have someone do it for you) by repeating over and over again stuff for which there is no evidence or makes no sense. But when events happen and you want to know THE TRUTH, try and evaluate this from first principles. It's like the (apparently) staged "gas attack" in Douma (official report from which 20 OPCW inspectors are now dissenting).
There is a gas attack - what kind of footprint and evidence does is leave? The munitions (cylindes, chemical weapons shells, rocket bodies and so forth), the symptoms of the victims, and the residues of the chemical weapons themselves - not only in the bodies and blood of the victims but also in their hair, clothes, and environmental samples.
Same with with "collusion" ... these people aren't communicating using telepathy. There have to be contacts, phone calls, tranmsissions, meetings, emails ...
MH17 - metal fatigue and microfractures indicating the speed of rupture (was it an explosion? High explosive? Decompression?) The damage holes, debris field, trace metal found on edges of damage holes, satellite imagery and ground-based radar, black box recording, shrapnel found on the ground, etc etc.
Start from first principles. Imagine the event and ALL of the necessary steps that would leave traces. Create a bit of a checklist BEFORE you start parsing the news. Think about what would be necessary to convince a reasonable person (you) that something happened. Remember, you can never prove a negative, so you will never find proof that NOTHING happened: You can always "what if" yourself into ever-less-likely scenarios. That way leads to paranoia so don't do that. Try to reel in your "what ifs" baxk to reality.
Don't be satisfied if only one or two (OR NONE) of the possible evidence is discussed
And be ESPECIALLY WARY wary if the accusers toss up a lot of distractions and emotional appeals OR FAKE STORIES, or if the accusations keep shifting faster than you can track them, because if that happens, you are likely dealing with a PROPAGANDA CAMPAIGN.
In the Saddam had WMD hoax .. well, most pieces of "evidence" brought forward (Those aluminum tubes weren't for nuclear centrifuges because they didn't have the right specs, they were rocket bodies. That "yellowcake&q
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