' The truth - We will go extinct, very soon.'
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UPDATED: Sunday, May 18, 2025 05:23
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No doubt man changes the enviornment and industry pollutes but there is no going back, can we move forward while protecting resources, protecting the land air and enviornment?
as for extinctions
maybe the mind and cult extinction comes first
I think Juadism and most of the Judean Zealots will go extinct very soon, the inbreeders can stay in their sandbox, the religion type who chucked Galileo Galilei into a jail for 'wrong think' are long gone, the new America gave the world new tech, contributions from the Russians, the Japanese, the Chinese, the Europeans, even India now all have acess to space, there are technological wonders to be found and now a Station orbiting the Earth at a speed of roughly 18,000 miles per hour flies around the planet 15 or 16 times per day, out there in the Black in Zero G looking at the Stars what is the point in praying to some stupidass Western Wailing Wall Kotel or some dumbass islamist idol Shrine at Mecca ... idiocracy or futurist?
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You can't make them care more.
Damn! On the nose. Can't make people care about who they vote for either, mostly.
So the next question is: does climate change matter to you? It's all pretty moot if you don't really care. I don't blame you or most of the population who don't care. It's a hard thing to wrap your brain around unless it affects you personally, daily. And yet, it's really not that hard to care - about as much effort as not caring.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Posting pretty shit on Facebook doesn't count as caring.
I don't think it's as bad as you do. There's positive impact from trends and social movements. You never know who's going to be positively affected and wind up making a powerful change.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
None of them will make changes if it negatively impacts their lives, or even inconveniences them and prohibits their goals of constant immediate gratification. Or at least, never enough to actually make a dent in any of the problems.
Charity negatively impacts people's lives too (the ones who give), and yet people still do it. You saying "none" is your absolutism f*ck nuttery. Not sure why you keep doing that.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And as for the sentence you underlined, laugh it up all you want. That is the ONLY way you're going to solve the problem, since this is a question of overpopulation of the planet and nothing else.
I'm not ever going to suggest who should live and die, or who should and shouldn't procreate. I'm just simply stating the fact that unless this were to happen than there is no reversing the damage that just grows exponentially as the underlying cause continues to grow exponentially.
I wasn't laughing at the underlying concept. More at you and the harpies. You 3 make up the dumbest sh*t about other posters. "Wish says she wants to kill millions! OMG, wha!!!!" SIGDUNCE. Artificial whining. The fake outrage is so old. It's one reason those 2 will never be worth more than a few snarky posts. That and being lying @holes.
Bottom line: If you want to influence people's behavior, you need to incentivize people to make those changes in a positive way. More carrot, less stick. Tax breaks and other financial incentives come to mind. There are things that can be done, just have to want to do it.
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You can't make them care more.
Damn! On the nose. Can't make people care about who they vote for either, mostly.
So the next question is: does climate change matter to you? It's all pretty moot if you don't really care. I don't blame you or most of the population who don't care. It's a hard thing to wrap your brain around unless it affects you personally, daily. And yet, it's really not that hard to care - about as much effort as not caring.
Voting, at least when it comes to this issue, is meaningless. I know that some people hold out that this is not true, but it is. I'm not a denier of climate change. I don't believe it's as imminent as some say that it is, but I think it's foolish to believe that it doesn't exist and it's not just getting exponentially worse.
Does it matter to me? Sure. I guess. I'm likely not going to be here. I've talked about the issue before with my brother. I'm hoping that everything is still going along smoothly for my niece's entire life. But honestly, beyond that, no... I guess I'm not really all that concerned.
Overall, I don't think that humanity in general really has earned the right to continue its existence in perpetuity. If the climate change doesn't get us, nuclear and/or biological war or enslavement via AI eventually will.
We're not far removed from being a bunch of apes, but the technology we have on the other hand is staggering. A bunch of morons walking around with technology that we could put down at any second but are drawn to like a meth head to a pipe. Enslavement via AI would be the happiest of the outcome. There would be no Terminator type end of the human race in the end. The AI would win with billions of willing participants. If we somehow manage to survive climate change, extinction level war, and some random asteroid putting a football stadium sized hole in the planet at the speed of sound, I envision a future future for humanity that is more a cross between Ready Player One and The Matrix, with a lot of Blade Runner sexbots on the front lines.
In the mean time, I sleep just fine at night. I recycle. Letters from the power company always show that my usage is "Great" and less than my "most efficient neighbors". I hardly ever buy anything new unless it is absolutely necessary to. Every piece of tech I have in my house is either over a decade old or was a hand me down from somebody else. Outside of underwear, socks and shoes, all of my current wardrobe is either over a decade old or was bought at Goodwill, and most of those clothes have about 5 different "stages" before they finally find their final resting place in the trash. I don't have any kids that will exponentially increase my carbon footprint throughout their lives.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Posting pretty shit on Facebook doesn't count as caring.
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I don't think it's as bad as you do. There's positive impact from trends and social movements. You never know who's going to be positively affected and wind up making a powerful change.
That's possible. But my point is that most of the people who partake in this type of activity are doing so to score the dopamine hit that comes with virtue signalling, and they do so while otherwise living a life of unbridled consumerism with no thought at all into how and where these products are made and under what conditions. No thoughts to all of the excessively needless packaging, particularly plastics, that come with every new item you buy. No thoughts at all of changing their own bad behavior to make the situation any better.
It's not as if even the biggest of virtue signalling tree huggers out there are doing it from a self sustaining farm while powering their iPhones or laptops with a crank attachment on an exe
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You can't make them care more.
I wasn't laughing at the underlying concept. More at you and the harpies. You 3 make up the dumbest sh*t about other posters. "Wish says she wants to kill millions! OMG, wha!!!!" SIGDUNCE. Artificial whining. The fake outrage is so old. It's one reason those 2 will never be worth more than a few snarky posts. That and being lying @holes.
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Jack, I anyway appreciate this expanded glimpse into your view of the world. So I hope in the future you continue to expound on your thoughts like this. But I suspect that, sadly, anyone who doesn't feel they are in their tribe will simply not read it.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You can't make them care more.
Damn! On the nose. Can't make people care about who they vote for either, mostly.
So the next question is: does climate change matter to you? It's all pretty moot if you don't really care. I don't blame you or most of the population who don't care. It's a hard thing to wrap your brain around unless it affects you personally, daily. And yet, it's really not that hard to care - about as much effort as not caring.
Voting, at least when it comes to this issue, is meaningless. I know that some people hold out that this is not true, but it is. I'm not a denier of climate change. I don't believe it's as imminent as some say that it is, but I think it's foolish to believe that it doesn't exist and it's not just getting exponentially worse.
Does it matter to me? Sure. I guess. I'm likely not going to be here. I've talked about the issue before with my brother. I'm hoping that everything is still going along smoothly for my niece's entire life. But honestly, beyond that, no... I guess I'm not really all that concerned.
Overall, I don't think that humanity in general really has earned the right to continue its existence in perpetuity. If the climate change doesn't get us, nuclear and/or biological war or enslavement via AI eventually will.
We're not far removed from being a bunch of apes, but the technology we have on the other hand is staggering. A bunch of morons walking around with technology that we could put down at any second but are drawn to like a meth head to a pipe. Enslavement via AI would be the happiest of the outcome. There would be no Terminator type end of the human race in the end. The AI would win with billions of willing participants. If we somehow manage to survive climate change, extinction level war, and some random asteroid putting a football stadium sized hole in the planet at the speed of sound, I envision a future future for humanity that is more a cross between Ready Player One and The Matrix, with a lot of Blade Runner sexbots on the front lines.
In the mean time, I sleep just fine at night. I recycle. Letters from the power company always show that my usage is "Great" and less than my "most efficient neighbors". I hardly ever buy anything new unless it is absolutely necessary to. Every piece of tech I have in my house is either over a decade old or was a hand me down from somebody else. Outside of underwear, socks and shoes, all of my current wardrobe is either over a decade old or was bought at Goodwill, and most of those clothes have about 5 different "stages" before they finally find their final resting place in the trash. I don't have any kids that will exponentially increase my carbon footprint throughout their lives.Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Posting pretty shit on Facebook doesn't count as caring.Quote:
I don't think it's as bad as you do. There's positive impact from trends and social movements. You never know who's going to be positively affected and wind up making a powerful change.
That's possible. But my point is that most of the people who partake in this type of activity are doing so to score the dopamine hit that comes with virtue signalling, and they do so while otherwise living a life of unbridled consumerism with no thought at all into how and where these products are made and under what conditions. No thoughts to all of the excessively needless packaging, particularly plastics, that come with every newNOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Jack, I anyway appreciate this expanded glimpse into your view of the world. So I hope in the future you continue to expound on your thoughts like this. But I suspect that, sadly, anyone who doesn't feel they are in their tribe will simply not read it.
You never know.
I've been trying to play more devil's advocate around here and other places recently, as well as trying to be a little less combative. I know full well it doesn't get you anywhere, but I have to admit that sometimes it just feels good.
But I do think that it hasn't gone unnoticed. The general tone when people I generally don't agree with are posting responses to me over the last few days have been a bit less, shall we say... hostile.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it will probably be read. Now... am I going to get a reply if they happen to agree with it? Probably not.
I guess I'm alright with that. If we're being honest here, I don't think any of us come here on the reg to sit down and sing koombaya with other people.
I would like if somehow we could get to a point where we aren't fighting with each other as if somehow each of us as individuals are actually part of the real problem or as if any of us as individuals actually have any real power to change anything in the world.
But what do I know? Maybe this daily exercise we all have going on here is a therapeutic activity that makes the rest of our lives better and I'm not the only one who uses the RWED as their political toilet.
I'd like to at least think that everybody here is much nicer to other people in the actual real world than they are here and they're able to at least be able to use this place as an arena to let their own demons come out and play a while before pulling them back in for a nap while going back to real life and interacting with people who are actually important to them.
In that case, I think it was all worth it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Not too surprisingly, I disagree with CC and SIX about getting more people to "care".
I live thru the environmental movement, was part of it. LOTS of people cared. The original push against DDT and the other chlorinated pesticidies (Silent Spring). Earth Day. The Clean Air Act. Laws were written. Books were written. Organizations were formed. People banded together to do things like set up recycling centers.
There were some real hardcore activists back then too. Do you remember The Fox? That mysterious activist who would cap smokestacks and bung outfalls in the middle of the night? The Monkeywrench gang, who would move logging operation road-markers, and drain oil from bulldozers in the middle of the night?
But all of that "caring" turned out to be ineffective. In the end, we may have delayed the day of reckoning but we're sill heading towards it. The reason why is because the decision-making is STILL in the hands of the elite, who are almost entirely sociopaths. The reason why things are the way they are is because a few people are making a crap-ton of money keeping everyone else poor, ignorant, and powerless.
People have to care, but then they have to do something effective with that caring, something more than trying to save on gasoline (I didn't make up the land-use plans and concentrated manufacturing that made cars a necessity, did you?) or recycling (I didn't ask for everything to be wrapped in three layers of plastic, did you?) or buying organic (I didn't set up a capital-intensive agricultural system that requires farmers to flog the land for every penny that it's worth and then some, did you?)
People need to be able to make those decisions on their own, without the manipulations of the elite. Power needs to be in the hands of people, not corporations, banks, and centraized governments.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY
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I get what you're saying, but everything you're talking about comes at a personal cost.
Maybe not a personal cost to life as you remember it in your youth, but it would be a personal cost to people of my generation who were born and raised in the world you're talking about, and certainly in the generations after that who also had the trappings of such things as the internet and smartphones and all of the other things most of us take for granted everyday.
There are far too many distractions in 2019 as there were compared to the 60's and 70's. People consume an ungodly amount of information on a daily basis, and I would imagine that even though their addicted to doing so at this point that the act of doing so in itself is exhausting. How many people do you know that grab that phone first thing when they wake up and waste hours of their day with it? I don't have a phone, but I'd be lying if I didn't admit that I do it with a computer.
"Caring" was something to do back when there wasn't nearly as much to do. You're talking about a time that even predates the Atari age. Even adults that don't spend an unhealthy time playing video games on a daily basis today have Netflix binge-watching, fantasy football and over 100 channels on their cable sets to vie for their attention and time.
A lot of this free time to waste on the bullshit that we choose to waste it on because we find it enjoyable would not be possible without the system that has been designed for us by the sociopaths on top.
I'm not arguing that the system isn't completely screwed up or that it's right. I'm just saying that if you actually told people what they'd have to give up to take power back from the elites, and the amount of work and responsibility that they'd have to put on themselves to make a better world where things were much less centralized and not just a few clicks away at any point in time, I don't see you selling it to enough people to make any difference at all.
On the contrary, I see Amazon trucks all over the place today. Not only are they going to put places like WalMart and other big box stores out of business or force them to completely change the way they do their own businesses, but they're likely going to absorb UPS and FedEx who had grown much larger than the Post Office BECAUSE of online purchases from places like Amazon in the first place.
The sociopaths on top didn't just get to where they are because they are sociopaths. A large part of their power came from the rest of us bottom feeders that happily obliged them.
The 60's and 70's represented something great if you're looking at it with rose tinted glasses, but at the end of the day far too many of those hippies sold out and became the Neo-Liberal corporatists of today, and they sold the rest of us out while we were too busy enjoying everything and selling ourselves out at the same time.
I don't mean to be Debbie Downer here, but there's no way you're going to reverse anything by getting enough people to give a shit again. People did make that decision on their own, alongside of the manipulations of the elites.
The problem now is overpopulation. Plain and simple. There's just 3 or 4 billion too many people on the planet and the equilibrium is all out of wack. Maybe 4 or 5 billion too many.
Maybe if we were better as a species, it would be possible to sustain life with 7.5 Billion people on the planet. Not with the path we collectively chose to go down though.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I've thought a lot about this issue, for a very long time.
It's why one of my favorite scenes of all time from any movie was the end of Escape from LA.
It would take something like this happening to force everyone to care again.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Jack, I anyway appreciate this expanded glimpse into your view of the world. So I hope in the future you continue to expound on your thoughts like this. But I suspect that, sadly, anyone who doesn't feel they are in their tribe will simply not read it.
Riiiight, 'cuz Jack is so reticent with his opinions. Did you enjoy having your goolies juggled, Jack?
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