Impeachment Investigation Is Underway, Judiciary Committee Says
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UPDATED: Monday, February 3, 2020 01:19
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Back in September 21, 2016, Fortune magazine calculated how much taxes Trump cheated the government out of with his "charity". Fortune guessed $700,000. Three years passed before a judge offers Trump's lawyers a $2 million deal -- if Trump pays, and shuts down his "charity", the judge will call it even.
https://fortune.com/2016/09/21/donald-trump-foundation-irs/
Fortune magazine was only able to look at Trump's "charity" tax returns because those returns must be made public. Trump claims to be worth $10 billion. The tax returns for those $billions are completely unknown at the moment, but someday the secret will be known. Even then it will possibly take three years, as it did with Trump's "charity", to discover how much Trump really owes.
For several more years there will be much to impeach Trump for, even into his second term. Only last month there was this article: "Never-Before-Seen Trump Tax Documents Show Major Inconsistencies"
www.propublica.org/article/trump-inc-podcast-never-before-seen-trump-t
ax-documents-show-major-inconsistencies
If Trump is reelected, and he continues with keeping secrets, by the time his term ends in 2025, he will have 8 tax returns that he refused to share with the public, not even sharing the two pages showing total income and total taxes owed. I am expecting huge battles between Congress and Trump over those tax returns. Trump's buddies in the Senate won't be able to protect him from paying what he owes, even when they can protect him from Ukrainegate and abandoning the Kurds of Syria to save his Trump Towers Istanbul. Eventually, Trump will get punished for lying about his money. The punishment will be fair -- he pays what he owes.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by THG:
Let's just say I served when Nixon was president comrade. He was my commander and chief. Figure it out.
And yet, you can't figure out which country's interests you represent. I know that because you can't answer this simple question: (in gold ... just so you don't miss it) - explain to me EXACTLY how US national security is threatened by anything that happens in Ukraine.
This simple question is one you've avoided answering in a dozen posts --- with propaganda, lies, trolling, LIBEL, and diversions.
Your inability to answer is very telling about where your loyalties lie.
A billion flies eat shit.
And BTW, I seriously doubt you've been in this country since Nixon was president, if at all. You're/your English and important military phrases - yanno, like the president's military title - would be better by now if that was true.
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Originally posted by THG:
Let's just say I served when Nixon was president missing comma comrade. He was my commanderandIN chief. Figure it out.
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Quote:Good. We promise too much military aid to too many nations. It might help them remember that aid is VOLUNTARY ... it can be started AND STOPPED based on our interests.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Baloney. Asked a foreign nation to cooperate with an ongoing investigation.
You STILL can't answer the question THUGGER? You know, it's an important question. Everyone says the reason what Trump did with Zelensky was bad was because it jeopardized national security.
So here is my question again, in gold ... just so you don't miss it: - explain to me EXACTLY how US national security is threatened by anything that happens in Ukraine. -KIKI
Better kiki. Not great but better.
Encouraged a foreign nation to interfere with U.S. elections.
But if you think what Trump did was bad, how about ... asking Britain, Ukraine, and Australia to cooperate with an illegal counterintelligence operation against a candidate? Making shit up about that candidate (called the "steele dossier") and leaking it to the press?Quote:How? There was no crime, so ... no blackmail. Hard as you try to turn this event into something that it wasn't (Did you read the transcript?) there's no "there" there.
Opened up the President of the United States to blackmail.Quote:How?
Helps Russia,Quote:Jeezus, are you saying that Ukraine is a vital ally in our fight against Russia?
Stopped substantial military aid the U.S. Congress determined to be in America’s national interest from reaching its intended recipient (restored only after the scandal became public).
Hmmm... are we at war with Russia? Is Ukraine an ally?Quote:Ukraine is NOT an ally, theefore we are not "sworn" to defend it if it is attacked. Up until the USA-engineered coup in 2016, Ukraine was in fact a part of the Russian economic bloc. If Ukraine reverts to the Russian economic bloc, not much will have changed.
Ukraine is a buffer between Putin’s aggressive Russia and four NATO allies the U.S. is sworn to defend if attacked.Quote:well, maybe WE xhould have thought of that before we expanded NATO eastward.
If Russia takes over Ukraine due to an inability to defend themselves as a result of U.S. military aid not reaching them, the U.S. is more likely to either go to war, or have to invest substantially more in proactive defense. Russian troops just over the border from four more NATO members is dangerous.
[qoute]Makes other countries less likely to take American promises of military aid seriously.
Quote:More baloney from THUGR!
Ukraine is vulnerable, in part, because the U.S. convinced them to give up their nuclear weapons, in exchange for assurance that we would help them defend themselves from Russia.
The USA, Russia and Britain agreed not to attack Ukraine or to threaten its economic or political integrity. We broke that promise when we engineered a coup in Ukraine. our agreement with Ukraine was NOT a defense agreement.
Quote:Maybe we should have thought of that before we engineered a coup and destroyed the Ukrainian economy.
Weakening a vulnerable nation under attack makes the world less stable and makes it more likely the U.S. will suffer negative reverberations.
Quote:OUR interests? Where? In Ukraine?
If Ukraine’s anti-Russia, anti-corruption leader ...Quote:who presumably would have an interest in investigating the corruption within Ukraine .. loses political power because the United States undermined him, his replacement may be more Putin-friendly and expand Putin’s influence against U.S. interests.
Quote:Obama used the same server for the same purpose. But since the content of he phone call was revaled, it seems there was no "there" there.
Improperly using the highest national security secrecy systems to hide political secrets and misconduct weakens them.
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Quote:REALLY?
Originally posted by THG:
Wrong sig. Everything you post is wrong comrade.
Are we to take your disloyal / foreign / ignorant / libelous word for it?
Or do you have actual - yanno - FACTS at your disposal?
A billion flies eat shit.
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Quote:A lawyer for Rudy Giuliani's indicted associate Lev Parnas said Giuliani directed Parnas to issue an ultimatum earlier this year to a representative of incoming Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, warning him that if the new government didn't announce an investigation into Joe Biden, the US would freeze military aid and Vice President Mike Pence would not attend Zelensky's inauguration.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Or do you have actual - yanno - FACTS at your disposal?
There being no punishment for lying while NOT under oath, Giuliani denied everything. There is also no punishment for lying while under oath, if you lie during an impeachment trial in the GOP controlled Senate.
More at www.cnn.com/2019/11/10/politics/trump-ukraine-lev-parnas-igor-fruman-r
udy-giuliani/index.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Yawn...
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The reason why I'm here Jack, replying to the useful idiots, is because their 'thinking' only goes as deep as the last unsupported statement mouth-breathed by the m$m.
When I hear 'Trump endangered national security', my first response is to question - HOW exactly did he do that?
Did he - yanno - spill intelligence secrets? Give Putin the launch codes for the day? Or what?
It's like the Iraq / WMD scam that was run on Americans (that shamefully, many believed, because to them, it was unthinkable that their government would lie to them. And to them, it was even more unthinkable their government would put soldiers at risk of being killed for completely venal reasons.). In that scam, the government asserted unsupported statements about Iraq's WMDs over and over, the media amplified them ad nauseam, and the Iraq disaster was born.
So when I hear and see, over and over and over, that Trump somehow-or-other put US national security at risk, and it floats around unattached to any evidence given by anyone, it looks like a reprise of the WMD scam. That's why I keep asking EXACTLY HOW is US national security threatened by anything that happens in Ukraine?
Anyway, since I can't pinpoint exactly HOW this is supposed to be a problem to US national security, I have to assume people are in a dither because "weapons, training, and advisers" were briefly held up. So ASSUMING this is all about military aid to Ukraine, I can't find even one reason to connect it to US national security. But even IF it was a US national security issue, then Obama was far worse. "By March 2015, the US had committed more than $120 million in security assistance for Ukraine and had pledged an additional $75 million worth of equipment including UAVs, counter-mortar radars, night vision devices and medical supplies, according to the Pentagon's Defense Security Cooperation Agency." As opposed to, say, the Javelins now going to Ukraine, courtesy of Trump.
So I'm left to conclude that the useful idiots here have no facts, and no thoughts, and are simply parroting the most recent propaganda that's been poured into their short-term memories.
And the level of propaganda pisses me off, as well as their intolerant personal attacks for not being the zombies they are.
I understand that at this point they're beyond reality. And they're not going to suddenly become sane because (by some miracle) they realize that facts are incompatible with their beliefs. But I can't be silent on it either.
So ON THIS TOPIC, I've made my point and if needed I'll continue to make my point. No US national security was put at risk by delaying military aid to Ukraine.
And there were no WMDs in Iraq, either.
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I know this. It isn't rocket science.
It's just strange how some people accept an entirely fabricated version of reality. Especially those I hold in esteem. It's baffling.
My boredom with it these days is that no matter what the story is, nothing ever changes. I've been coming to this forum for three years sober now and not a single thing has changed.
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You know, in the Iraq days there was only one person on this board who TRULY believed that Iraq had WMD. He shall remain nameless, but the idea of Iraq having WMD rattled him to his bones, and left him with a case of PTSD that didn'tgo away for ... years, as far as I can tell.
Today, there is only one person on this board... JO ... who TRULY believes that Russia is the evil behind all distasteful events. Everyone else is just using it as a rationalization for "Why I hate Trump". And since Russia/racism/Ukraine/whatever are just rationalization, well, one rationalization is just as good as another and they can be easily interchanged.
It would e useful TO THESE PEOPLE if they did a little soul-searching as to why they TRULY hate Trump. I'm sure there are reasons, mostly emotional ones having nothing to do with current events, Trump, Russia, or anything else that's outside of their own personal demons. I have my own idea on why they feel the way they do (for example, THUGR is still trying to live down his dishonorable discharge by proving over and over again how loyal he is. As Frem said, we spend our adult lives fighting the battles we lost as children) but until they reach clarity about their own motivations I'm afarid their thinking will be all screwed up.
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