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THG

Sunday, November 10, 2019 7:28 AM

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while putting our countries national security at risk
Jeeze THUGGER, how many COUNTRIES are we?

But to address your basic stupidity - explain to me EXACTLY how US national security is threatened by anything that happens in Ukraine. And I mean IN DETAIL.

A billion flies eat shit.

Geez, are you trying to make me laugh myself to death? If so you just about made it.

T

THG

Sunday, November 10, 2019 7:30 AM

In Seeking to Join Suit Over Subpoena Power, Mulvaney Goes Up Against the President

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. — Even in a White House of never-befores, this may be one of the more head-spinning: The president’s chief of staff is trying to join a lawsuit against the president.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/in-seeking-to-join-suit-over-s
ubpoena-power-mulvaney-goes-up-against-the-president/ar-BBWwgal?ocid=spartandhp

Oh my...

tick tock

T

1KIKI

Sunday, November 10, 2019 8:43 AM

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- explain to me EXACTLY how US national security is threatened by anything that happens in Ukraine. And I mean IN DETAIL.-

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Geez, are you trying to make me laugh myself to death? If so you just about made it.

I noticed you couldn't answer the question. So I'll keep asking it, just to make it painfully obvious to everyone - shit, as stupid as you are, maybe even you - that you have to keep dodging it until you eventually have to abandon any pretense of even minimal intelligence.

Just so you don't miss it: - explain to me EXACTLY how US national security is threatened by anything that happens in Ukraine. And I mean IN DETAIL.-

A billion flies eat shit.

THG

Sunday, November 10, 2019 6:59 PM

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So I'll keep asking it, just to make it painfully obvious to everyone - shit, as stupid as you are, maybe even you - that you have to keep dodging it until you eventually have to abandon any pretense of even minimal intelligence.

What? Maybe you should stop criticizing how others write until you've learned to write a proper comprehensible sentence.

T

1KIKI

Sunday, November 10, 2019 8:11 PM

You STILL can't answer the question THUGGER? You know, it's an important question. Everyone says the reason what Trump did with Zelensky was bad was because it jeopardized national security.

So here is my question again, in gold ... just so you don't miss it: - explain to me EXACTLY how US national security is threatened by anything that happens in Ukraine. And I mean IN DETAIL.-

A billion flies eat shit.

PS I'm sorry your reading comprehension is so poor. But this is a simple enough post. Even you can understand it.

SECOND

Sunday, November 10, 2019 8:23 PM

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You STILL can't answer the question THUGGER? You know, it's an important question. Everyone says the reason what Trump did with Zelensky was bad was because it jeopardized national security.

So here is my question again, in gold ... just so you don't miss it: - explain to me EXACTLY how US national security is threatened by anything that happens in Ukraine. And I mean IN DETAIL.-

Nobody says that, 1kiki. What they say is that politicians must not use tax money to get themselves reelected. Trump used $400 million of tax money to get Ukraine to torpedo Trump's political competitor in 2019, Joe Biden. Only last week Trump admitted to using tax money to get himself elected in 2016. He reduced his own taxes by using fake charitable deductions and directed the charity to help his campaign. He should be impeached over that, too.

Trump’s charity woes are uncommon, if not unprecedented, and could get more costly

It’s unprecedented that a sitting president of the United States officially admits to this kind of wrongdoing and agrees to formal supervision if he should ever venture back into the charitable world. And while it’s not unheard of, it’s uncommon for legal authorities to order anyone to spend millions of dollars to compensate the public for misusing charitable funds under their control.

One reason is that it’s pretty hard to get caught. For the most part, charity laws and regulations are not subject to across-the-board enforcement at the state level or by the IRS.

The closest precedent involving the White House and charitable transgressions that comes to mind occurred half a century ago.

President Richard Nixon’s attorneys falsified documents from him to take a tax deduction on the value of his pre-presidential papers he said he’d donated to the National Archives prior to July 25, 1969.

After an IRS employee leaked information about Nixon’s tax return, he agreed to allow the Joint Committee on Internal Revenue Taxation to examine the propriety of his returns from that time. It found other failures to boot. Nixon had to pay more than $450,000 in back taxes and interest.

More at http://theconversation.com/trumps-charity-woes-are-uncommon-if-not-unp
recedented-and-could-get-more-costly-126652

Nixon's tax cheating was a factor in his resignation. GOP Senators told Nixon they were feed up with his general crookedness on his taxes and other things. But crookedness stopped bothering GOP Senators sometime in the 21st Century. Nixon would not be asked by GOP Senators from nowadays to resign.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Sunday, November 10, 2019 8:32 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You STILL can't answer the question THUGGER? You know, it's an important question. Everyone says the reason what Trump did with Zelensky was bad was because it jeopardized national security.

So here is my question again, in gold ... just so you don't miss it: - explain to me EXACTLY how US national security is threatened by anything that happens in Ukraine.

Better kiki. Not great but better.

Encouraged a foreign nation to interfere with U.S. elections.

Opened up the President of the United States to blackmail.

Helps Russia, a top adversary and national security threat to the United States.
Stopped substantial military aid the U.S. Congress determined to be in America’s national interest from reaching its intended recipient (restored only after the scandal became public).

Ukraine is a buffer between Putin’s aggressive Russia and four NATO allies the U.S. is sworn to defend if attacked. If Russia takes over Ukraine due to an inability to defend themselves as a result of U.S. military aid not reaching them, the U.S. is more likely to either go to war, or have to invest substantially more in proactive defense. Russian troops just over the border from four more NATO members is dangerous.

Makes other countries less likely to take American promises of military aid seriously. Ukraine is vulnerable, in part, because the U.S. convinced them to give up their nuclear weapons, in exchange for assurance that we would help them defend themselves from Russia.

Weakening a vulnerable nation under attack makes the world less stable and makes it more likely the U.S. will suffer negative reverberations.

If Ukraine’s anti-Russia, anti-corruption leader loses political power because the United States undermined him, his replacement may be more Putin-friendly and expand Putin’s influence against U.S. interests.

Improperly using the highest national security secrecy systems to hide political secrets and misconduct weakens them.

Discourages other potential whistleblowers from reporting problems, making future national security vulnerabilities more likely.

Discourages dedicated American patriots from going into, or remaining in, public service (intelligence, military, law enforcement, politics, civil service, etc.) when the president is undermining their efforts, corrupting systems, cheating in elections, putting personal interests ahead of national interests, etc.

Allowing two straight U.S. elections to be undermined by foreign powers shows the U.S. to be weak and encourages future attacks.

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SECOND

Sunday, November 10, 2019 8:59 PM

Alexander Vindman was listening to Trump's Ukrainian phone call. Congress asked him what he heard for 10 hours and 340 pages, about 100 times longer than the actual phone call.
www.npr.org/2019/11/08/777514772/read-testimony-of-alexander-vindman-t
he-white-houses-ukraine-specialist

Vindman is a military man in a job that puts a premium on discretion — and the commander in chief, without evidence, calls him a “Never Trumper witness.” That is pretty much an impeachable offense, right there, but it gets worse:

Vindman’s brush with fame quickly got ugly. On Fox News, Laura Ingraham described him as “a U.S. national security official who is advising Ukraine while working inside the White House, apparently against the president’s interests,” and John Yoo, a Justice Department official in the George W. Bush administration, replied that “some people might call that espionage.” On CNN, former congressman Sean P. Duffy (R-Wis.) suggested that Vindman “has an affinity, I think, for the Ukraine.”

Real nice smear campaign that Trump is running. That ought to be impeachable. But Trump will deny everything he did to smear lieutenant colonel Vindman, so, no impeachment.

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/alexander-vindman-soviet-emigre-and-de
corated-us-army-officer-wanted-to-be-as-american-as-can-be-now-the-president-questions-his-motives/2019/11/08/6ded69d4-fff8-11e9-8501-2a7123a38c58_story.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, November 10, 2019 9:48 PM

This is all getting so very boring.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Sunday, November 10, 2019 10:27 PM

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You STILL can't answer the question THUGGER? You know, it's an important question. Everyone says the reason what Trump did with Zelensky was bad was because it jeopardized national security.
So here is my question again, in gold ... just so you don't miss it: - explain to me EXACTLY how US national security is threatened by anything that happens in Ukraine. -KIKI

Better kiki. Not great but better.

Encouraged a foreign nation to interfere with U.S. elections.

Baloney. Asked a foreign nation to cooperate with an ongoing investigation.

But if you think what Trump did was bad, how about ... asking Britain, Ukraine, and Australia to cooperate with an illegal counterintelligence operation against a candidate? Making shit up about that candidate (called the "steele dossier") and leaking it to the press?

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Opened up the President of the United States to blackmail.

How? There was no crime, so ... no blackmail. Hard as you try to turn this event into something that it wasn't (Did you read the transcript?) there's no "there" there.

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Helps Russia,

How?

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Stopped substantial military aid the U.S. Congress determined to be in America’s national interest from reaching its intended recipient (restored only after the scandal became public).

Jeezus, are you saying that Ukraine is a vital ally in our fight against Russia?

Hmmm... are we at war with Russia? Is Ukraine an ally?

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Ukraine is a buffer between Putin’s aggressive Russia and four NATO allies the U.S. is sworn to defend if attacked.

Ukraine is NOT an ally, theefore we are not "sworn" to defend it if it is attacked. Up until the USA-engineered coup in 2016, Ukraine was in fact a part of the Russian economic bloc. If Ukraine reverts to the Russian economic bloc, not much will have changed.

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If Russia takes over Ukraine due to an inability to defend themselves as a result of U.S. military aid not reaching them, the U.S. is more likely to either go to war, or have to invest substantially more in proactive defense. Russian troops just over the border from four more NATO members is dangerous.

well, maybe WE xhould have thought of that before we expanded NATO eastward.

[qoute]Makes other countries less likely to take American promises of military aid seriously.

Good. We promise too much military aid to too many nations. It might help them remember that aid is VOLUNTARY ... it can be started AND STOPPED based on our interests.

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Ukraine is vulnerable, in part, because the U.S. convinced them to give up their nuclear weapons, in exchange for assurance that we would help them defend themselves from Russia.

More baloney from THUGR!

The USA, Russia and Britain agreed not to attack Ukraine or to threaten its economic or political integrity. We broke that promise when we engineered a coup in Ukraine. our agreement with Ukraine was NOT a defense agreement.

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Weakening a vulnerable nation under attack makes the world less stable and makes it more likely the U.S. will suffer negative reverberations.

Maybe we should have thought of that before we engineered a coup and destroyed the Ukrainian economy.

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If Ukraine’s anti-Russia, anti-corruption leader ...
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who presumably would have an interest in investigating the corruption within Ukraine .. loses political power because the United States undermined him, his replacement may be more Putin-friendly and expand Putin’s influence against U.S. interests.

OUR interests? Where? In Ukraine?

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Improperly using the highest national security secrecy systems to hide political secrets and misconduct weakens them.

Obama used the same server for the same purpose. But since the content of he phone call was revaled, it seems there was no "there" there.

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Discourages other potential whistleblowers from reporting problems, making future n

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