Joker
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UPDATED: Monday, March 30, 2026 18:33
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It cost $55M to make, I think it's well past 20 times.
BTW, I saw a few people (I overheard them talking) bring their friends and relatives on my second viewing. So there are many casual and comic book fans who have made a second (third?) trip. Many on the internet, especially You Tube have expressed their undying love for Phillips and Joaquin.
The second time. Impression: it didn't seem as exhaustive as the first time. I attribute that to familiarity. Still brilliant. I'm a little pissed at the critics who poo-poo this film because it reminds them of Taxi Driver. I don't know, but if I was a filmmaker, I'd be proud to be mentioned in the same breath.
Of course, these assholes who shit on a film because they claim it's derivative, well, this film is similar to Taxi Driver like orange juice is to milk. That one guy on You Tube, Steve Shives, even lied about a scene in the film:
He said that Don (the big guy who gives him the gun) did so for no reason.
I couldn't believe my ears, so I ran it back. Dude, I said, not only did he give Arthur the gun; he told him why! What the fuck!? He said a bunch of other shit that I didn't agree with him, but some that made me want to see the film again. So thank you Steve.
Everybody is a critic nowadays. I makes me sad that Siskel and Ebert had to die.
sgg
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Yeah... Like I said originally it's 50/50.
Did you think of that possibility when you saw it? Like I had mentioned before, it didn't cross my brother or my dad's mind and they actually argued me on it at first until I explained where I was coming from.
I think that would be awesome though, if they continue with this version of the Universe if you find out they actually were brothers, but it would have to be done in a meaningful way. Hopefully Disney doesn't buy DC before then or that's never going to happen.
Honestly, my hope is that DC dumps everything else they were working on, reboots their entire movie franchise and centers it around this movie and style.
It's not too far fetched of a hope, given that the movie is on course to pretty easily make 20 times what it cost to produce. Time will tell.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Good point, but...
"some people get their kicks, stomping on a dream"
sgg
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Oh... and by the way...
Harley Quinn was introduced by Batman the Animated Series. She didn't get her start in the comics.
People who don't know anything about comics don't know that, so I figured I'd help you out.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Hey Rap,
You bring up some good points that some may not even "get." It's like Six says, she was conjured up in the animated series. I actually like that series.
But, to me, it's the story that matters. If it's well done, who the fuck cares. That's why Star Wars is losing droves of fans (not the die-hards, of which I am one) but it goes to story. Does it make sense and is it well told.
Anywho, you do pinpoint on a key factor; Phillips wrote an intriguing story about a character we all "think" we know, Joker. He fleshed out a character
and gave him life, like Frankenstein. He presented a variation based on a sketch of a villain we've come to know in comic books. He "borrowed" a bit from Nolan's Dark Knight and gave Joker a realistic background.
And, I'm with Six on this. How can a film that hasn't been seen get so much negative hype? My curiosity was piqued. It made me want to go see it more than ever. Plus Joaquin Phoenix is a draw because of his acting chops. I don't hate film critics, I just don't always trust them to be honest. Besides, sometimes you just have to take a chance that your favorite actor/director/producer will deliver the goods. Fuck what the critics say, you know when you know.
sgg
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Oh... and by the way...
Harley Quinn was introduced by Batman the Animated Series. She didn't get her start in the comics.
People who don't know anything about comics don't know that, so I figured I'd help you out.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I never claimed to be a comic book guy, which is why I either don't mind what happens to characters in the movies ( as long as it decent material ) if it deviates too much from their origin story, be it comic or animated series.
All I know of Harley Quinn is that I loved her on screen version from Suicide Squad and Kevin Smith named his daughter after the character.
Still, being a Tolkien fan, I " get " why some characters have a canon that should be respected, while others ...maybe not so much.
I liked how Joker's actual origin played out ( or did it ? ) in mov...I mean " film ". It was intriguing , to say the least, with how he and Bruce Wayne had a shared history. Of sorts.
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Remember, we're dealing with Arthur's fragile psyche here. Like his mom he's delusional. But yeah, I did pick up on that.
sgg
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Oh... and by the way...
Harley Quinn was introduced by Batman the Animated Series. She didn't get her start in the comics.
People who don't know anything about comics don't know that, so I figured I'd help you out.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I never claimed to be a comic book guy, which is why I either don't mind what happens to characters in the movies ( as long as it decent material ) if it deviates too much from their origin story, be it comic or animated series.
All I know of Harley Quinn is that I loved her on screen version from Suicide Squad and Kevin Smith named his daughter after the character.
Still, being a Tolkien fan, I " get " why some characters have a canon that should be respected, while others ...maybe not so much.
I liked how Joker's actual origin played out ( or did it ? ) in mov...I mean " film ". It was intriguing , to say the least, with how he and Bruce Wayne had a shared history. Of sorts.
Did you read my theory that Bruce and Arthur actually are brothers?
It may have gotten lost in all of the bullshit. I was hoping somebody would reply to that, but nobody has so far.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Hey Six,
For some reason I didn't see this post until now. But listen, I do comment on his take. I both agree and disagree with his take. Did you get a chance to see the video? (I don't know what happened to the video).
I'll tell you one thing I wrote in my comments:
He talks about when his friend gives him the gun and says he gave it to Arthur for no reason. In the video at 11:22, he says:
"...he just gives Arthur the gun. The gun fairy."
He says that it's a plot contrivance; that it seemingly comes out of nowhere.
On my second viewing I especially looked for that scene. You tell me, was Steve Shives being honest?
sgg
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Video doesn't display, but all you had to do was say Steve Shives.
You don't actually value any of that guy's opinions on anything under the sun, do you SGG?
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I see a fair amount of ' movies '. Few films though.
I got dragged to Capote back when it came out. I thought it was well done, the acting was impressive and the story dramatic.
But it's not my cup of tea. Again, like w/ Joker, I can say it's an impressive work w/ out it being my favorite.
I almost nodded off during one part, I hate to say, but still, Phillip Seymore Hoffman put in a heck of a performance.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
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Exactly Rappy.
One could admire a work of art without giving up their first born. But yeah, Joker is a masterpiece, make no mistake, but it doesn't have to become your "fav" unless you go for that type of film.
I hold lots of films in high esteem, but don't have them in my Top Ten. Those films are "favs" that happen to be masterstrokes in film making. These are films I don't mind watching over and over again (well, duh!).
But you've hit the nail on the head.
sgg
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I see a fair amount of ' movies '. Few films though.
I got dragged to Capote back when it came out. I thought it was well done, the acting was impressive and the story dramatic.
But it's not my cup of tea. Again, like w/ Joker, I can say it's an impressive work w/ out it being my favorite.
I almost nodded off during one part, I hate to say, but still, Phillip Seymore Hoffman put in a heck of a performance.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
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Hey Six, Rappy
You guys gotta see this video: Todd Phillips at TIFF, Toronto Film Festival
I hope it works. If not search for it on You Tube. It's only about 20 minutes.
SGG
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It cost $55M to make, I think it's well past 20 times.
It's got to make $1.1 Billion worldwide to get the 20 times. It's close, and I have little doubt that it will, but we're only at $857 Million right now.
At $283 Million, it's now the 6th highest grossing movie domestically in the US. It's got to pull in another $43 million domestically to take number 5 from Deadpool 2, but if it can manage that, it shouldn't be a problem to get number 4 from It as well. I don't think it's going to get any higher than that though, looking at the numbers. It would take some sort of major resurgence of interest, or a very long time in the theaters to break $350 Million domestically and take the third spot. It would need another $20 million beyond that to take number 1.
I did not watch the Shives video. Shives gives me hives.
I'll watch that Q & A though and let you know what I think.
Here's a video I saw last night that you guys need to watch. I think it says it all about why the critics (only) in the US are so negative against the Joker.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Exactly Rappy.
One could admire a work of art without giving up their first born. But yeah, Joker is a masterpiece, make no mistake, but it doesn't have to become your "fav" unless you go for that type of film.
I hold lots of films in high esteem, but don't have them in my Top Ten. Those films are "favs" that happen to be masterstrokes in film making. These are films I don't mind watching over and over again (well, duh!).
But you've hit the nail on the head.
I still haven't watched it a second time. I probably won't until it's out of theaters, unless my other brother has some free time before then and we can catch a cheap matinee somewhere.
But now that the experience has worn off, I still think my favorite flick is Ink, from 2009.
I'd love to know what you thought of Ink if you saw it. Pretty amazing to see what they were able to do with only $250,000.
I get chills just watching the trailer again. Going to have to watch it again myself soon.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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