Joker
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UPDATED: Monday, March 30, 2026 18:33
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In the movie, Joker commits an act of murder on live television and somehow becomes an icon of rebellion and class upheaval as a result. It’s an arc that tries to justify his leap from supporting player to star — and fails spectacularly.
Is that what you got from the film, really? Nothing else comes to mind? Second, this was NOT a superhero film. This is leaps and bounds above that genre, although it did take from it.
Sorry, but I couldn't help but submit my two cents. I'll retreat to my corner and comment no further.
sgg
He didn't watch it. He's just spouting whatever two line reviews he saw and liked.
Look at his posts. He brought up Batman as if he was in the flick. He has absolutely no idea what Joker was about.
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So, whatever the critics negatively post is what YOU think of the film.
Got it. I will say nothing further to you about it. Thanks for playing along.
sgg
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Originally posted by second:Quote:I read this comic:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
. . . not even worth quoting . . .
The Comic That Explains Where Joker, the Movie, Went Wrong
Alan Moore’s classic 1988 story, Batman: The Killing Joke, was an inspiration for Todd Phillips’s grim new film — but not in the one way that really mattered.
I’m not the biggest fan of The Killing Joke’s place in Batman lore. Its plotting is too glib and undercooked to warrant its severity, putting Barbara through an unspeakable ordeal to make a fairly ordinary point. Still, I admire it mostly as a distillation of the relationship between the Joker and Batman. The Joker spends the entire comic insisting that they’re two of a kind, both men driven to aberrant behavior after a terrible tragedy; Moore emphasizes that the triumph of Batman’s character is that he resisted abandoning hope and embracing anarchy, as the Joker did.
Phillips’s film keeps much of Moore’s characterization, tracking the life of Arthur Fleck (Phoenix) as he struggles with mental illness, is attacked and harassed in the street multiple times, and becomes a figure of public ridicule when one of his strange stand-up sets is mocked by a legendary talk-show host (Robert De Niro). But the thing that Joker, the movie, lacks is Batman. The film does include a young Bruce Wayne (Dante Pereira-Olson), but flips the order in which the characters’ alter egos are created, having Joker’s transformation into a public menace spur a riot that ends with Bruce’s parents getting murdered.
Without Batman to play off, the reason for Joker’s existence as a protagonist in Phillips’s film is vague at best. The narrative tracks his evolution into an evil creature, providing a revamped and simplistic origin story for a figure who has only ever existed as a distorted mirror image of the Caped Crusader. Even when compared with Moore and Bolland’s comic, Joker is a bitter and humorless work, an attempt to add gravitas to a character who typically hasn’t stood for anything broadly metaphorical. In the movie, Joker commits an act of murder on live television and somehow becomes an icon of rebellion and class upheaval as a result. It’s an arc that tries to justify his leap from supporting player to star — and fails spectacularly.
More at www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2019/10/killing-joke-and-jok
er/599512/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Another point of view from a You Tube critic:
I do not agree with many of his observations. I still haven't completed viewing this post by Steve Shives.
sgg
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Video doesn't display, but all you had to do was say Steve Shives.
You don't actually value any of that guy's opinions on anything under the sun, do you SGG?
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Heartbreaker...
Joker misses out taking back the number 1 spot by a measly $120,000 to some bullshit Disney sequel nobody is going to remember seeing next month.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I love how Ryan Reynolds put ' Hugh Jackman ' instead of Logan.
What a bromance going on there.
lol
What is The Wolfpack?
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Quote:I saw a pirated copy of Joker. Joker is a stinker, both as a man and as a movie. Many different movie reviewers explained why in technical detail, saving me the effort. But if you think it is a great movie about the origin story of a mass murderer, well ... super for you.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
So, whatever the critics negatively post is what YOU think of the film.
Got it. I will say nothing further to you about it. Thanks for playing along.
sgg
The reason Hollywood's comic book movies are mostly done from the viewpoint of the hero or the nominally good guy is because most people want to see the bad guy, Joker for one, come to a bad ending, rather than dance around in the sunlight at a sanitorium, leaving bloody footprints and planning his inevitable next mass murder spree when he escapes.
Did you pay attention to the music as the Joker walked away from the murder at the end of the movie? The words were "When I find myself flat on my face, I pick myself up and get back in the race." Joker, the man, should have been knocked down so he can never get back in any race. That could make a good movie and it also breaks the the usual DC Comics ending where Batman sends Joker to another vacation at Arkham. A good movie is "In Cold Blood" which ended with the hanging of a murderer, who was a much better man than Joker.
In Cold Blood (re-release) 2006
www.metacritic.com/movie/in-cold-blood-re-release
Quote:www.rogerebert.com/reviews/in-cold-blood-1968
When I was typing up the cast credits, I came to the line "based on the book by Truman Capote." Some grim humor suggested that I could keep on typing: " . . . and the murders by Perry Smith and Dick Hickock." In an important sense, this movie was created by Smith and Hickock. They spent most of their lives compiling biographies that prepared them for their crime.
Perry came from a violent childhood. His mother drank, his father flew into explosive rages, he was beaten in orphanages. Dick came from marginal poverty, a rootless existence without values. So both were "victims of society,'' in the way defense attorneys use that term. For their own victims, they chose the Clutter family--a well-off, middle-class, God-fearing family that, in every respect, lived in an opposite world.
If this had been fiction, the themes could not have been more obvious. Two opposed cultures collide. The outsiders kill the insiders in the first round, then lose the second to the hangman.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:I saw a pirated copy of Joker. Joker is a stinker, both as a man and as a movie. Many different movie reviewers explained why in technical detail, saving me the effort. But if you think it is a great movie about the origin story of a mass murderer, well ... super for you.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
So, whatever the critics negatively post is what YOU think of the film.
Got it. I will say nothing further to you about it. Thanks for playing along.
sgg
The reason Hollywood's comic book movies are mostly done from the viewpoint of the hero or the nominally good guy is because most people want to see the bad guy, Joker for one, come to a bad ending, rather than dance around in the sunlight at a sanitorium, leaving bloody footprints and planning his inevitable next mass murder spree when he escapes.
Did you pay attention to the music as the Joker walked away from the murder at the end of the movie? The words were "When I find myself flat on my face, I pick myself up and get back in the race." Joker, the man, should have been knocked down so he can never get back in any race. That could make a good movie and it also breaks the the usual DC Comics ending where Batman sends Joker to another vacation at Arkham. A good movie is "In Cold Blood" which ended with the hanging of a murderer, who was a much better man than Joker.
In Cold Blood (re-release) 2006
www.metacritic.com/movie/in-cold-blood-re-releaseQuote:www.rogerebert.com/reviews/in-cold-blood-1968
When I was typing up the cast credits, I came to the line "based on the book by Truman Capote." Some grim humor suggested that I could keep on typing: " . . . and the murders by Perry Smith and Dick Hickock." In an important sense, this movie was created by Smith and Hickock. They spent most of their lives compiling biographies that prepared them for their crime.
Perry came from a violent childhood. His mother drank, his father flew into explosive rages, he was beaten in orphanages. Dick came from marginal poverty, a rootless existence without values. So both were "victims of society,'' in the way defense attorneys use that term. For their own victims, they chose the Clutter family--a well-off, middle-class, God-fearing family that, in every respect, lived in an opposite world.
If this had been fiction, the themes could not have been more obvious. Two opposed cultures collide. The outsiders kill the insiders in the first round, then lose the second to the hangman.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Quit projecting your bullshit and fake virtue on to other people.
You're the one that goes around suggesting that people murder their bosses all the time. You're the one that talks about his power fantasies where you can assassinate the president and you know you could get away with it.
Ask yourself why you need to be mollycoddled by Hollywood and why you find something like Joker so appalling.
Is it because you, yourself, are The Joker?
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After tallying the 4th weekend numbers, Joker is officially the number 1 R rated movie worldwide as well as internationally.
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Joker-(2019)#tab=summary
It is number 7 domestically, as of the Monday night take, but it's almost a sure thing to beat out the terrible Matrix Reloaded and take the number 6 spot after tonight... if not, it will have by Wednesday night.
1. The Passion of the Christ $370,782,930
2. Deadpool $363,070,709
3. American Sniper $350,126,372
4. It $327,481,748
5. Deadpool 2 $324,591,735
6. The Matrix Reloaded $281,553,689
7. Joker $279,701,557
https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-records/worldwide/all-movies/mp
aa-ratings/r-(us)
25 million and 28 million to overtake "Deadpool 2" and "It" shouldn't be a problem. Likely to happen two weeks from now when the weekend numbers are in then.
It should still have another two months in the theaters domestically, at least. It probably won't get the full four months that Captain Marvel did before it left theaters, but Alita Battle Angel only made $85 million domestically and got a three month domestic run.
Is it possible for Joker to make another $89 million in two months to take number one?
It would be quite funny if it did and it triggers Mel Gibson to go on a drunken rampage again.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I love how Ryan Reynolds put ' Hugh Jackman ' instead of Logan.
What a bromance going on there.
lol
What is The Wolfpack?
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Dunno. Maybe ask Ryan
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