Joker
POSTED BY: SHINYGOODGUY
UPDATED: Monday, March 30, 2026 18:33
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Quote:I read this comic:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
. . . not even worth quoting . . .
The Comic That Explains Where Joker, the Movie, Went Wrong
Alan Moore’s classic 1988 story, Batman: The Killing Joke, was an inspiration for Todd Phillips’s grim new film — but not in the one way that really mattered.
I’m not the biggest fan of The Killing Joke’s place in Batman lore. Its plotting is too glib and undercooked to warrant its severity, putting Barbara through an unspeakable ordeal to make a fairly ordinary point. Still, I admire it mostly as a distillation of the relationship between the Joker and Batman. The Joker spends the entire comic insisting that they’re two of a kind, both men driven to aberrant behavior after a terrible tragedy; Moore emphasizes that the triumph of Batman’s character is that he resisted abandoning hope and embracing anarchy, as the Joker did.
Phillips’s film keeps much of Moore’s characterization, tracking the life of Arthur Fleck (Phoenix) as he struggles with mental illness, is attacked and harassed in the street multiple times, and becomes a figure of public ridicule when one of his strange stand-up sets is mocked by a legendary talk-show host (Robert De Niro). But the thing that Joker, the movie, lacks is Batman. The film does include a young Bruce Wayne (Dante Pereira-Olson), but flips the order in which the characters’ alter egos are created, having Joker’s transformation into a public menace spur a riot that ends with Bruce’s parents getting murdered.
Without Batman to play off, the reason for Joker’s existence as a protagonist in Phillips’s film is vague at best. The narrative tracks his evolution into an evil creature, providing a revamped and simplistic origin story for a figure who has only ever existed as a distorted mirror image of the Caped Crusader. Even when compared with Moore and Bolland’s comic, Joker is a bitter and humorless work, an attempt to add gravitas to a character who typically hasn’t stood for anything broadly metaphorical. In the movie, Joker commits an act of murder on live television and somehow becomes an icon of rebellion and class upheaval as a result. It’s an arc that tries to justify his leap from supporting player to star — and fails spectacularly.
More at www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2019/10/killing-joke-and-jok
er/599512/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
I read this comic:
No you didn't.
A critic who's opinion nobody else but you cares for read the comic, then wrote a bunch of opinions nobody else but you cares about.
Then you posted it here, where nobody else but you will read it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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'Joker' Takes R-Rated Box Office Record…and Possibly Another No. 1 Weekend
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Ryan Reynolds
@VancityReynolds
R-Rated box office congratulatory posts aren’t like the ones you’re used to...
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Interesting...
Joker, like Deadpool, was not released in China.
Kind of unfair, when you're trying to compare it to other Comic Book blockbusters. I wasn't aware until just now that Deadpool had the same fate.
Only 4 weeks in, not including Friday or Saturday's numbers for this past weekend, the top international release country for Joker is the UK at $49.9 Million.
Compare that to Captain Marvel, which was in UK theaters for nearly 4 months and only reached $51.8 Million in that time.
In the same 4 months, Captain Marvel earned $153.8 Million in China.
In Mexico, Joker has already earned $3.1 million dollars in 1/4 of the time that it took Captain Marvel to make $33.3 million in it's entire near 4 month run. In Russia, it's already made more than $5 million above what Captain Marvel did.
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Joker-(2019)#tab=international
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Captain-Marvel-(2019)#tab=internatio
nal
If Joker were released in China, and the same ratio were to be applied that we're seeing in the UK right now, it wouldn't be surprising if China added $175 to $225 Million to Joker's total even if it only spent half the time in the theaters that Captain Marvel did.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Also interesting to note...
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/custom-comparisons/Joker-(2019)/Cap
tain-Marvel-(2019)#tab=day_by_day_comparison
If you don't count the first two weekends of Captain Marvel's domestic take, you'll find that the rest of the days so far are fairly even at the box office between the two movies, with quite a few days already showing Joker taking more than Captain Marvel did in the same window.
The 2nd Monday, for instance, Joker pulled in more than $3 Million more domestically than Captain Marvel did on its second Monday.
To be fair though, this could likely be attributed to the millennials still recovering from St. Patrick's day on the 17th of March.
But the vast majority of the Captain Marvel win over Joker in the Domestic Box office will be the $57 million more it made opening weekend. Even on the second weekend, Captain Marvel only made $11 Million more than Joker did. The third weekend we're talking less than $5 Million.
CM is only roughly $74.5 Million ahead of Joker for the first 22 days. $72 to $73 Million of that was on the weekends with the weekdays themselves being about dead even.
Could repeat viewings and a significant upturn this weekend back at number one possibly keep Joker going long and strong enough to actually make more money domestically over time before it's dropped from theaters?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Reynolds posted this!?
Brilliant, I love it!
SGG
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Ryan Reynolds
@VancityReynolds
R-Rated box office congratulatory posts aren’t like the ones you’re used to...
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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In the movie, Joker commits an act of murder on live television and somehow becomes an icon of rebellion and class upheaval as a result. It’s an arc that tries to justify his leap from supporting player to star — and fails spectacularly.
Is that what you got from the film, really? Nothing else comes to mind? Second, this was NOT a superhero film. This is leaps and bounds above that genre, although it did take from it.
Sorry, but I couldn't help but submit my two cents. I'll retreat to my corner and comment no further.
sgg
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Here's a video of a You Tube critic that I respect, he breaks down the Joker in a straight-forward manner that I admire,his name is Chris Stuckmann:
I'm posting this not so much to convince you of anything, but rather to show you a different point of view.
sgg
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Originally posted by second:Quote:You might not believe it, but when I go into a movie, everything I know about the characters influences how I view the movie. I can suspend disbelief, but I can not erase what I know about imaginary characters.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Hey Second, I'm guessing by your post that YOU didn't like the film.
And I emphasize the word "guess" because nary a word from you of what YOU thought of the film.
The critics, for their "reasons" hated the film. But audiences love it to the tune of 93% RT score. So what does that mean? Are the critics right? Or is the audience?
No matter. Art is not always appreciated in it's time.
sgg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief
There was a movie I saw this year, Alita Battle Angel, that the critics were not impressed with, but I liked it while watching. I knew nothing about the character called Alita, other than the trailer. Everything about Alita was new and thrilling. But reading what the critics said about the movie, all the shortcomings they noticed were obviously there. I didn't see those flaws until they were pointed out to me. Those flaws should have been fixed when it was only a script.
www.metacritic.com/movie/alita-battle-angel/critic-reviews
The critics were not impressed by Joker, just like they were not by Alita. The difference for me was that I knew a great deal about the character of Joker versus nothing about the character called Alita. Joker is a mass murdering monster, so I am already primed to dislike his origin story. The flaws in the Joker movie which the more self-aware critics pointed to are actual flaws that should have been fixed while the movie was still a script.
In Alita, I didn't see the flaws but I had NO prejudice against the Alita character. On the other hand, I already hated the Joker character so it was easy to see the flaws in his movie. For me the movie was nothing but flaws. As one critic said about Joker: "The downside to the performance is the downside to the movie: It’s one note played louder and louder."
www.metacritic.com/movie/joker/critic-reviews
By the way, I was not kidding when I compared Joker to someone running amok. If you have actually seen somebody go berserk in real life, it will cast a shadow on the Joker and his mental problems. Similarly, you will never again look at the gunfights in movies the same after you have actually been in a real shootout and have to deal with the dead and injured afterwards.
"How the Mind Works" -- the chapter on Hotheads: https://bit.ly/32IqISS
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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