Joker
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Originally posted by second:Quote:It is also an example of Joker running amok. Amok is a Malay word for the homicidal sprees occasionally undertaken by lonely Indochinese men who have suffered a loss of love, a loss of money, or a loss of face. The syndrome has been described in a culture even more remote from the West: the stone-age foragers of Papua New Guinea.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Joker was an experience. It was an event.
The amok man is patently out of his mind, an automaton oblivious to his surroundings and unreachable by appeals or threats. But his rampage is preceded by lengthy brooding over failure, and is carefully planned as a means of deliverance from an unbearable situation. The amok state is chillingly cognitive. It is triggered not by a stimulus, not by a tumor, not by a random spurt of brain chemicals, but by an idea. The idea is so standard that the following summary of the amok mind-set, composed in 1968 by a psychiatrist who had interviewed seven hospitalized amoks in Papua New Guinea, is an apt description of the thoughts of mass murderers continents and decades away:
I am not an important or "big man." I possess only my personal sense of dignity. My life has been reduced to nothing by an intolerable insult. Therefore, I have nothing to lose except my life, which is nothing, so I trade my life for yours, as your life is favoured. The exchange is in my favour, so I shall not only kill you, but I shall kill many of you, and at the same time rehabilitate myself in the eyes of the group of which I am a member, even though I might be killed in the process.
The amok syndrome is an extreme instance of the puzzle of the human emotions. Exotic at first glance, upon scrutiny they turn out to be universal; quintessentially irrational, they are tightly interwoven with abstract thought and have a cold logic of their own.
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Which makes it all the more hilarious that the SJW weirdo brainwashed lefties went around insulting people and calling them incels before the movie was even released.
Yup. Good idea, knuckleheads. Poke the hornet nest.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:This description fits Joker running amok. Any part fit you?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Which makes it all the more hilarious that the SJW weirdo brainwashed lefties went around insulting people and calling them incels before the movie was even released.
Yup. Good idea, knuckleheads. Poke the hornet nest.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Quote:"How the Mind Works" by Steven Pinker
I am not an important or "big man." I possess only my personal sense of dignity. My life has been reduced to nothing by an intolerable insult. Therefore, I have nothing to lose except my life, which is nothing, so I trade my life for yours, as your life is favoured. The exchange is in my favour, so I shall not only kill you, but I shall kill many of you, and at the same time rehabilitate myself in the eyes of the group of which I am a member, even though I might be killed in the process.
https://books.google.com/books?id=5cXKQUh6bVQC&pg=PA364&lpg=PA
364#v=onepage&q&f=false
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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I was called an 'incel ' by someone on twitter because I questioned climate change. 
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Originally posted by second:Quote:This description fits Joker running amok. Any part fit you?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Which makes it all the more hilarious that the SJW weirdo brainwashed lefties went around insulting people and calling them incels before the movie was even released.
Yup. Good idea, knuckleheads. Poke the hornet nest.
Do Right, Be Right. :)Quote:"How the Mind Works" by Steven Pinker
I am not an important or "big man." I possess only my personal sense of dignity. My life has been reduced to nothing by an intolerable insult. Therefore, I have nothing to lose except my life, which is nothing, so I trade my life for yours, as your life is favoured. The exchange is in my favour, so I shall not only kill you, but I shall kill many of you, and at the same time rehabilitate myself in the eyes of the group of which I am a member, even though I might be killed in the process.
https://books.google.com/books?id=5cXKQUh6bVQC&pg=PA364&lpg=PA
364#v=onepage&q&f=false
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Nope. But we all knew what you were doing there.
Nobody should be afraid of admitting that Joker was a great flick.
Go fuck yourself, ya mental midget.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I'm going back to calling you Six in this section, Cinema, because we're talking on a level as men, who happen to love film (or real art).
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I do like your choice to call it a "film", rather than a movie. Although I think it's even more than that.
You are right Six. This is,as I have said above, a masterwork, a piece of art.
It is Beethoven's 9th, Kubrick's 2001, Stairway to Heaven.......
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Oh bliss! Bliss and heaven! Oh, it was gorgeousness and gorgeousity made flesh. It was like a bird of rarest-spun heaven or like silvery wine flowing in a spaceship, gravity all nonsense now.
(from A Clockwork Orange, another Kubrick film, 1971)
There's more below...
sgg
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Thank you THG....I don't want to over-hype it, just go see it then come back if you wish to discuss it. All are welcome!
sgg
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First, good to hear from you SGG. Thanks for the excellent review. I haven't seen it yet but it looks like a dazzler.
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Did you see the film?
sgg
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Yes, Rap. To experience a film such as this, well....it takes you places, it envelops and surrounds you. It never judges you, but enhances you as a person.
We are human and perfect creatures.
A masterpiece does that.
Fuck the critics!
Go in peace!
sgg
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Six, I continue here:
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...took a Film class in college, and the "films" they had us watch were your usual fare like Citizen Kane and 2001: A Space Odyssey. To me, those are "Films". Outdated bullshit that intellectuals pretend to love while they're smelling their own farts and talking down to people who "just don't get it".
Me too, film class. It got me to appreciate the difference between a movie and "film." True art does not 'look down' on anyone. Like you say below....
"Joker was an experience. It was an event."
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I can't even say it was "emotional" for me. It wasn't exactly emotions that I was feeling. I didn't feel sadness for his character, or more accurately, I didn't feel any more than a normal person would. I didn't feel "cringe" for him during parts that would normally have made me feel the cringe, like when he was failing miserably at the stand up comedy.
Me!? I felt his pain. I identified with the sadness that I felt he was going through. It was as though he wanted to cry, but instead he chose to laugh through the tears. It felt to me like he was frustrated, because all he wanted
was to be heard and understood. But I get what you're saying, this is what I mean about "true art" like this film. It reveals, it takes you along a path,
it opens the mind. It delivers the experience.
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I was too wrapped up in whatever guttural, instinctual "feelings" that were turning me inside out while experiencing this, this... masterpiece of a performance.
Yes. Joaquin, Todd Phillips brought us along the journey with their collaboration. Phoenix was phenomenal.
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Yet, days later and I still don't know if it was a good movie or not.
It was an amazing experience. I'm so glad I saw it in a theater and did not just watch it on a small screen alone on Netflix months or years from now.
Agreed.
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I think what made it even better was that I saw it in one of those old-timey small theaters with only two screens that still have the red curtains and the smell that old theaters have. Something about that really resonated with me during the scene where he put on the usher uniform and all of the rich people were watching some old black and white movie. (I really loved constant anachronisms in the movie... Rich people dressing up in their best to go see what I think was a Charlie Chaplin movie, along side of cars from the 60's outside of the theater and an answering machine in Arthur's apartment... very cool).
Yes, I'm jealous. You got to see it in an old-timey theater. I saw it in a brand new multi-plex. But I still enjoyed it. I did get a feeling of nostalgia
in that scene in the theater with all the rich folk. It reminded me of some of the films from the 70s. The Day of the Locust, Klute, Going Places, They Shoot Horses, Don't They, Days of Heaven....just to name a few. Days of Heaven, in particular, is a masterpiece. Now those were "films."
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In the mean time, I don't think I'm going to be able to separate the feelings from the movie itself after only one viewing. It's going to take at least one if not quite a few more for me to actually wrap my head around it and get beyond Phoenix's performance.
I need to see this film again. There's so much to absorb and experience. I remember seeing most people leaving the theater a little stunned. I wish I could have spoken to them to see what they were feeling. I don't know, I just think it would be interesting to see what their thoughts were. I kept saying,
as I was watching (after the first half hour)..."this is brilliantly written...this is a masterpiece...this is so fucking good."
I'm going back to see it again.
sgg
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Only seen it once, but the mind games the audience is subjected to is nothing short of brilliant.
Much like Fight Club, we're seeing the story unfold through the eyes of unreliable narrator . However, as the movie unfolds, we're let in on a little secret. Not everything we've seen actually happened. There's a weaving of events from his point of view and then what takes place in the real world. There's speculation as how much of the movie really happened, mostly or entirely , from inside Arkham Asylum ?
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