Impeachment Investigation Is Underway, Judiciary Committee Says
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
BTW... none of those bullet points are legit. Either they are flat out not criminal "offenses" (which only some people are even offended by), but the rest of them are hearsay and/or anonymous claims with no actual evidence to back them up.What a great debating strategy! "Nuh-uh!" Waving that big red "Clueless" flag again.
Clearly, Trump's Ukraine phone transcript is evidence at the very least of abuse of power. I suppose you can go turtle and keep saying "nuh-uh!" about everything though - have at it.
You can find people who say that it was treason. There are just as many people who say it was diplomacy.
Whatever dude. Democrats hung themselves on this one. Get over it.
Otherwise you're in for a long 5 years.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/15/moodys-trump-on-his-way-to-an-easy-202
0-win-if-economy-holds-up.html
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President Donald Trump will win reelection easily in 2020 if the economy holds up, modeling by Moody’s Analytics shows.
“If voters were to vote primarily on the basis of their pocketbooks, the president would steamroll the competition,” the report states.
Three models show Trump getting at least 289 electoral votes and as many as 351, assuming average turnout.
The Moody’s models have been backtested to 1980 and were correct each time — except in 2016, when it indicated Clinton would get a narrow victory.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/15/warning-to-democrats-economy-
points-to-a-trump-win-047021
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-in-a-landslide-this-historical
ly-accurate-model-predicts-exactly-that-2019-10-15
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/15/reuters-america-barring-a-turnout-surg
e-strong-economy-favors-trump-in-2020-researchers-say.html
https://www.newsweek.com/historically-accurate-election-forecaster-pre
dicts-trump-will-win-even-greater-margin-2020-1465494
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-forecast/barring-a-tur
nout-surge-strong-economy-favors-trump-in-2020-researchers-say-idUSKBN1WU2P7
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/presidential-election-model-th
at-got-it-wrong-once-in-40-years-predicts-trump-2020-win
I'll just sit back and watch myself be right again. I don't have to debate anything with people who are clearly wrong all the time.
https://www.moodysanalytics.com/-/media/article/2019/president-electio
n-model.pdf
(BTW... Yes, that's a possible 380 electoral votes for Trump's re-election with low voter turnout. It's not a typo. Maybe the 351 that the first article I posted by CNBC was? Either that, they didn't bother to actually look at the report, OR THEY WERE LYING AGAIN.)
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:6ix, you are counting your chickens before they hatch:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'll just sit back and watch myself be right again. I don't have to debate anything with people who are clearly wrong all the time.
https://www.moodysanalytics.com/-/media/article/2019/president-electio
n-model.pdf
(BTW... Yes, that's a possible 380 electoral votes for Trump's re-election with low voter turnout. It's not a typo. Maybe the 351 that the first article I posted by CNBC was? Either that, they didn't bother to actually look at the report, OR THEY WERE LYING AGAIN.)
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Moody’s found that if turnout among non-incumbent voters — Democrats and independents — were to match historical highs, the Democratic nominee would win under the stock market and employment models as well as an average of the three models.
And plenty could still change between now and next November that would move state-level economic models away from Trump, especially in the critical states of Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin.
www.politico.com/news/2019/10/15/warning-to-democrats-economy-points-t
o-a-trump-win-047021
Moody’s also does not attempt to account for the personal characteristics of candidates, relying instead on typical voter behavior for generic nominees of either party. And Trump is about as far from a generic candidate as it is possible to be. On the other hand, V.P. Mike Pence is completely generic. I suggest Trump resign and Pence run for President.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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I looked at the whole report.
It says that under ideal (for you) conditions, the Democrats barely eek out a win.
Moody's has only been wrong once in 40 years. It said that Clinton would eek out a victory in 2016.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:The ideal condition for me is a Republican party win, but I'm voting for Democrats because I have strongly negative opinions about Trump voters, opinions which have nothing to do with politics but everything to do with who these people are, although I will note that I like and admire the rich Trump voters who dislike Trump the Man, but will vote for Trump the President since he delivers for the rich. I'm also the kind of person who pines for the good old days when Firefly was making new episodes.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I looked at the whole report.
It says that under ideal (for you) conditions, the Democrats barely eek out a win.
Moody's has only been wrong once in 40 years. It said that Clinton would eek out a victory in 2016.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Second wrote: " I'm also the kind of person who pines for the good old days when Firefly was making new episodes. "
I've always found it interesting that we have such strong difference of opinion..and yet our views seem to be the same..just out of different portal?
example...Joss could make Firefly on the backside of his perspective of a Bush presidency, I could watch if while under the Obama presidency and we both see the same picture of a biased, lying, racist, unethical, unconstitutional, cheating, wealth grabbing , etc, etc. what you folks scream about under Trump.. I was screaming about under Obama. and I felt Firefly was every bit as appropriate in it's detest of one as it can be applied to another...but in the end, it seems as bad as we treat each other on this forum, we keep coming back...must be something in common..something we can sense, can "smell" about what's wrong in Washington..what's wrong with city mayors, state governors, congressman, judiciaries...whether it's postus, scotus, or scrotums...we all know it needs to change..to get better..and yet I think by the time we reach the years that Firefly is supposed to exist in...yep..we'll find it's every bit as foul...keep flying...
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
BTW... none of those bullet points are legit. Either they are flat out not criminal "offenses" (which only some people are even offended by), but the rest of them are hearsay and/or anonymous claims with no actual evidence to back them up.
Clearly, Trump's Ukraine phone transcript is evidence at the very least of abuse of power. I suppose you can go turtle and keep saying "nuh-uh!" about everything though - have at it.
Ex-Aide Saw Gordon Sondland as a Potential National Security Risk
WASHINGTON — A former top White House foreign policy adviser told House impeachment investigators this week that she viewed Gordon D. Sondland, the United States ambassador to the European Union, as a potential national security risk because he was so unprepared for his job, according to two people familiar with her private testimony.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-aide-saw-gordon-sondland-as
-a-potential-national-security-risk/ar-AAISOb3?ocid=spartanntp
Just more shit for Jack to deny has any truth to it.
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Can't wait for Bolton to be subpoenaed. He said he wants to get a chance to make his case against Trumps claims against him.
tick tock tick tock
John Bolton ‘Increasingly Likely’ to Get Subpoena From House Democrats
The possibility that they issue him a subpoena is “increasingly likely,” according to a source familiar with their thinking. Bolton was President Trump’s national security adviser from April 2018 until last month, when he unceremoniously left the White House.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/john-bolton-increasingly-likel
y-to-get-subpoena-from-house-democrats/ar-AAITzpg?ocid=spartanntp
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Quote:I think Trump is trying to bring back Firefly. Actually, he is trying different entertaining ideas in hopes that one of those ideas gets network approval and an order for a 13 episode season on FOX, just like the original Firefly.
Originally posted by OLDGUY:
Second wrote: " I'm also the kind of person who pines for the good old days when Firefly was making new episodes. "
I've always found it interesting that we have such strong difference of opinion..and yet our views seem to be the same..just out of different portal?
example...Joss could make Firefly on the backside of his perspective of a Bush presidency, I could watch if while under the Obama presidency and we both see the same picture of a biased, lying, racist, unethical, unconstitutional, cheating, wealth grabbing , etc, etc. what you folks scream about under Trump.. I was screaming about under Obama. and I felt Firefly was every bit as appropriate in it's detest of one as it can be applied to another...but in the end, it seems as bad as we treat each other on this forum, we keep coming back...must be something in common..something we can sense, can "smell" about what's wrong in Washington..what's wrong with city mayors, state governors, congressman, judiciaries...whether it's postus, scotus, or scrotums...we all know it needs to change..to get better..and yet I think by the time we reach the years that Firefly is supposed to exist in...yep..we'll find it's every bit as foul...keep flying...
Trump and his supporters are in the exploratory phase of the impeachment defense show, trying various excuses on for size and hoping one resonates enough to get him through the mushrooming Ukraine scandal.
We've already seen various contenders: "perfect conversation," "no quid pro quo," "Democrat scam," "presidential harassment," allegations of a biased media and the idea that Trump is too great to impeach, among others. But there is one line of defense that stands above (or below) the rest for its sheer absurdity, mendacity and, well, chutzpah: Donald Trump, International Corruption Buster.
Prosecutors see all manner of defenses. Some are compelling, others vaguely plausible, still others laughable. But the notion of Donald J. Trump as a corruption-buster would be comedic if it wasn't so hypocritical and misleading. Trump may yet come up with a compelling defense against the rising tide of impeachment, but this sure isn't it.
When Trump was asked recently to name a single foreign corruption case he had shown any interest in — besides those involving his political opponents — Trump spun in a circle: "You know, we would have to look..." Apparently, Trump is still looking.
If the US government — typically through the Justice Department — wants to address foreign corruption lawfully and through official channels, it can formally request cooperation through a Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty. Such requests are commonplace and the fact that Trump operated outside established legal channels says everything about his intent.
More at www.cnn.com/2019/10/16/opinions/trumps-ridiculous-impeachment-defense-
honig/index.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Schiff: Mulvaney comments on Ukraine aid have made things 'much, much worse'
House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) said Thursday that acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney's comments linked the withholding of aid to Ukraine to investigations into the 2016 election have made things "much worse" for the president.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/schiff-mulvaney-comments-on-uk
raine-aid-have-made-things-much-much-worse/ar-AAIWhcE?ocid=spartanntp
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Impeachment is too important to leave to Congress. A lawless president won’t be constrained by establishment politics alone. (Keep in mind that Mitch McConnell decided in 2017 that he would never remove Trump. That is why Trump has always acted as if there were no guard rails to keep him on the road. He felt he could drive in the grass or go the wrong way against traffic.) It’s going to take mass mobilization to change Mitch's mind about Trump.
As long as the majority of Kentucky voters are telling Mitch McConnell that keeping Trump in the White House is essential for the voters to keep reelecting Mitch to the Senate, Mitch will keep Trump in the White House.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/18/20905686/resistance-protest
-impeachment-rallies-trump
"American elites rarely seem to do this, but they should consider the lesson that toppled Mariano Rajoy’s corrupt right-wing government in Spain in 2018, Park Geun-hye’s corrupt right-wing government in South Korea in 2017, and Sigmundur Davíð Gunnlaugsson’s corrupt right-wing government in Iceland in 2016: Large-scale public protests work."
"Democrats entered January 2017 with extremely little formal political power. They controlled neither the House nor the Senate nor the White House, and Trump’s victory also dashed their hopes of securing a majority in the Supreme Court.
Grassroots resistance organizations began to form, many operating under the Indivisible label, with a basic goal of maximizing the political price the Republican Party would pay for every forward step. The climate of resistance helped inspire courts to slap down several versions of Trump’s travel ban, helped keep the DACA program alive to this day, inspired civil servants to leak damaging information about Trump’s misconduct, and contributed to the defeat of the Affordable Care Act repeal."
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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