Ghosts
POSTED BY: JEWELSTAITEFAN
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Like I said, I'm a skeptic by nature.
All I know is that I've seen stuff that I can't explain. One of the instances that happened I started just believing that I had dreamed it as I grew up and never saw anything else remotely similar until the next door neighbor of the cottage we used to have where it happened saw something that made the hairs stand up on the back of my neck when he told the story years later.
I've talked about it here before, likely in the garden and rain thread.
I think a majority of what you see on TV is bunk. I still believe that there is a whole lot of stuff out there that happens that we as a species just can't explain, at least not now. Maybe one day they can all be explained away with science. Until then, sure... I believe that "ghosts" are real.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:I have not been talking about hallucinations.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I've read too many debunking efforts to think that stories - even published stories - are accurate.
I remember one, supposedly a near death experience where the guy almost died in a hospital room and supposedly found himself floating out of the window, where he saw a pair of sneakers on a ledge, and accurately described them.
Except that there never were any sneakers on the ledge that anyone attested to. No sneakers removed by maintenance, no sneakers noticed by any hospital staff, or visitors ... and so on. It was quite a lengthy, thorough debunking.
If there's something I want to post, I usually research it a bit, and I always look for solid evidence.
Anyway, I briefly tried to vet your sources. Most links to 'source' went to a blank page or 404 error. A few went to 'The Intelligencer' which is NOT a government publication of its results. And so on.
I didn't find any links to original government data or papers for any specific incidents. So, yanno, I'll consider it if you can find original sources. But I'm not going to spend more time than I have, trying to find original information.
With my limited computer access now, I am having diffuculty chasing down all of the references I want. With some of this old material, and being material that TPTB don't want exposed, I am also ending up with a lot of 404 pages and other errors. I am trying to provide some clues to the way for those who are intellectually curious.
You have not specified here any particular reference or anecdote or news item that you are having difficulty with.
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Quote:OK. Can you explain the parts about Rosemary Smith and Jimmy Carter?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:Works for me.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Can anybody access this one?
https://eteponge.blogspot.com/2010/04/
I can access that on my phone, but the computer I'm using today is wonky and won't allow me to view.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
There are other parts of it I would ask you to explain, but I cannot recall which parts of that were pertinent.
Could you please copy the paragraphs on Rosemary and paste them here?
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JSF
I'm not sure if you're having generalized inet access issues, or just here. But anyway - I'm not going to vet your sources for you. I looked enough to decide for myself there is no 'there' there. So - checking out your sources to make your point - dood - it's on you! 
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Jack
I'm absolutely 100% certain there's stuff 'out there' we don't understand. We can't even unscramble the physics of photosynthesis or the entropy of life! I'd say on a fundamental level, we understand close to zero about our universe.
But in a macro, sensory-limited, brain-heuristics way, I personally haven't had any unexplainable events, nor, as far as I can tell, have the people I personally know irl.
I'm OK with people telling me online they've had them, like you. I just have no way of verifying it. So I'm not saying you're lying. I'm just saying I'm not putting it into my 'fact' bin, fwiw.
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Quote:So, do you believe that some people experience Deva Ju?
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Jack
I'm absolutely 100% certain there's stuff 'out there' we don't understand. We can't even unscramble the physics of photosynthesis or the entropy of life! I'd say on a fundamental level, we understand close to zero about our universe.
But in a macro, sensory-limited, brain-heuristics way, I personally haven't had any unexplainable events, nor, as far as I can tell, have the people I personally know irl.
I'm OK with people telling me online they've had them, like you. I just have no way of verifying it. So I'm not saying you're lying. I'm just saying I'm not putting it into my 'fact' bin, fwiw.
Precognition?
Seeing or hearing ghosts?
Seeing or hearing spirits?
Being aware of when their loved ones die?
Twin telepathy?
Out of Body Experience?
Able to see the 4th human color (a frequency of yellow similar to what bees see)?
Able to draw or describe what they intuit or hunch but cannot see?
But you have not experienced any of these?
Do you believe that those who do are merely hallucinating?
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Jack
I'm absolutely 100% certain there's stuff 'out there' we don't understand. We can't even unscramble the physics of photosynthesis or the entropy of life! I'd say on a fundamental level, we understand close to zero about our universe.
But in a macro, sensory-limited, brain-heuristics way, I personally haven't had any unexplainable events, nor, as far as I can tell, have the people I personally know irl.
I'm OK with people telling me online they've had them, like you. I just have no way of verifying it. So I'm not saying you're lying. I'm just saying I'm not putting it into my 'fact' bin, fwiw.
Quote:I think people can have the mental impression of those things, but they haven't been tested out irl to figure if they're verifiable fact or just a brain fart.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So, do you believe that some people experience Deva Ju?
Precognition?
Seeing or hearing ghosts?
Seeing or hearing spirits?
Being aware of when their loved ones die?
Twin telepathy?
Out of Body Experience?
Able to see the 4th human color (a frequency of yellow similar to what bees see)?
Able to draw or describe what they intuit or hunch but cannot see?
But you have not experienced any of these?
Do you believe that those who do are merely hallucinating?
Did you ever have the dream that you're falling, and you reach out to try and catch yourself, and you jerk and it wakes you up? It turns out the brain simply misremembers the sequence of events. What happens is you jerk in your sleep as you transition back to a deeper sleep state, and your brain confabulates a 'reason' in a dream, which it then stores in memory as before-the-fact. So brains is tricky things.
Anyway - deja vu (before seen) is a very common experience, and it consists of a FEELING that you've experienced something earlier; I've never seen someone use information from that felt experience to know something not in current experience. There's a similar but opposite experience called jamais vu (never seen) where something familiar looks completely strange. I've felt both of them at one time or another, but they were just feelings, unrelated to anything irl.
When it comes to hearing things that aren't there (especially voices or conversations, I'm presuming), some people have a lot more connections between their auditory processing centers and various parts of their brain. These non-schizophrenic people hear voices. I personally don't hear voices, but I do confabulate music in pink noise (I also dream original music at times); and experience some synesthesia between sounds and sights.
Out of body experiences can be recreated by activating part of the brain - I forget which part, I'd have to look it up. So can the feeling that someone is standing behind or beside you, watching you. I've never had that though I know someone who did. But It was in the context of deep, relaxed concentration before going to sleep, so it may have been a dream.
The 4th human color is caused by women having an extra DNA code for a color receptor most people don't have (on the X chromosome). As far as I know, except for looking at genetics, there's no visual test for it since the rgb codes used don't carry enough signal to create those differences, to be able to test who might or might not see them.
Anyway, a lot of weird experiences have physical explanations.
Did I address what you're interested in?
But indeed, I also know 3 separate people who hallucinated, for different reasons.
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Remote viewing is bunk. So is bending spoons via one's mind. Or telekinesis. Makes for great sci-fi, but as a skeptic, I take the ' show me ' view first, before believing anything.
Alien visitation is far more likely than ghosts, RV, or some such stuff. And I've made my views known on the chances of the former.
Look, if ghosts are real, and we've heard reports of 1800's era soldiers and their horses both appearing in ghost form, why not more animals ? This has been a long standing problem I've had w/ the ' ghost ' issue. Humans make up a tiny fraction of life that's ever appeared on Earth. 100's of millions of years of life , we should be seeing all manner of ghosts, right ? Well, finally this idea gets put on screen, with the Netflix episode of ' Love + Death + Robots ' .
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Quote:Have you seen the demonstration video on the DVD for Suspect Zero, as I suggested? Rent or borrow the DVD and check it.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Remote viewing is bunk. So is bending spoons via one's mind. Or telekinesis. Makes for great sci-fi, but as a skeptic, I take the ' show me ' view first, before believing anything.
Please explain what is shown, if you choose.
Quote:Prior to humans, how many species do you think were sentient beings?
Alien visitation is far more likely than ghosts, RV, or some such stuff. And I've made my views known on the chances of the former.
Look, if ghosts are real, and we've heard reports of 1800's era soldiers and their horses both appearing in ghost form, why not more animals ? This has been a long standing problem I've had w/ the ' ghost ' issue. Humans make up a tiny fraction of life that's ever appeared on Earth. 100's of millions of years of life , we should be seeing all manner of ghosts, right ? Well, finally this idea gets put on screen, with the Netflix episode of ' Love + Death + Robots ' .
Regardless of how long ago marine animals were around, f they lived in the oceans, would their ghosts be likely to hang out on land? They knew very little of land, unless they beached themselves to die.
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Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Jack
I'm absolutely 100% certain there's stuff 'out there' we don't understand. We can't even unscramble the physics of photosynthesis or the entropy of life! I'd say on a fundamental level, we understand close to zero about our universe.
But in a macro, sensory-limited, brain-heuristics way, I personally haven't had any unexplainable events, nor, as far as I can tell, have the people I personally know irl.
I'm OK with people telling me online they've had them, like you. I just have no way of verifying it. So I'm not saying you're lying. I'm just saying I'm not putting it into my 'fact' bin, fwiw.
Quote:I think people can have the mental impression of those things, but they haven't been tested out irl to figure if they're verifiable fact or just a brain fart.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So, do you believe that some people experience Deva Ju?
Precognition?
Seeing or hearing ghosts?
Seeing or hearing spirits?
Being aware of when their loved ones die?
Twin telepathy?
Out of Body Experience?
Able to see the 4th human color (a frequency of yellow similar to what bees see)?
Able to draw or describe what they intuit or hunch but cannot see?
But you have not experienced any of these?
Do you believe that those who do are merely hallucinating?
Did you ever have the dream that you're falling, and you reach out to try and catch yourself, and you jerk and it wakes you up? It turns out the brain simply misremembers the sequence of events. What happens is you jerk in your sleep as you transition back to a deeper sleep state, and your brain confabulates a 'reason' in a dream, which it then stores in memory as before-the-fact. So brains is tricky things.
Anyway - deja vu (before seen) is a very common experience, and it consists of a FEELING that you've experienced something earlier; I've never seen someone use information from that felt experience to know something not in current experience.
While I was a minor I often had Deja Vu. Some repeated enough times that I would try to count the repeated episodes. Several got to 5, so I figured the last time was real life, although all of the prior times had the same exact sensation, not like a dream. I have never heard any skeptic rationalization that fit my experiences.
One sequence that repeated the most (that I recall) occurred 14 times, or the real one was after 13 prior. When it occurred, it was a once in a lifetime event. Only one specific year could it have occurred, only one specific day of that one year could it have occurred. As I recall, the prior 13 times I was not aware of the time exclusivity of the sequence - I only experienced it and recall prior Deja Vus of it, but did not really understand what it was. Everybody was wearing the same clothes - and part of the clues required that I was concentrating on their clothes, the speaking was the same - these people spoke the same words in the same exchange of conversation each time - and sound effects were the same, rattling of china and silver in the exact same sequence each time.
Quote:I meant things not visible, things the subject (or you) cannot know are there. I saw this on some TV show. A traine
There's a similar but opposite experience called jamais vu (never seen) where something familiar looks completely strange. I've felt both of them at one time or another, but they were just feelings, unrelated to anything irl.
When it comes to hearing things that aren't there (especially voices or conversations, I'm presuming), some people have a lot more connections between their auditory processing centers and various parts of their brain. These non-schizophrenic people hear voices. I personally don't hear voices, but I do confabulate music in pink noise (I also dream original music at times); and experience some synesthesia between sounds and sights.
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