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Anybody know what Cenk has to say about Turkey right now?
Yanno, the guy from The Young Turks who got AOC and a bunch of other socialists to primary in solid Democrat districts all over the country in 2018.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Anybody know what Cenk has to say about Turkey right now?
"A U.S. special forces member serving with the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) in Syria said Turkey is inflicting atrocities as it invades northeastern Syria.
“I am ashamed for the first time in my career,” the unidentified soldier, who has been involved in the training of indigenous forces on multiple continents, told Fox News Wednesday.
“Turkey is not doing what it agreed to. It’s horrible,” the soldier added. “We met every single security agreement. The Kurds met every single agreement [with the Turks]. There was no threat to the Turks — none — from this side of the border.”
Hosts: Cenk Uygur, Ben Mankiewicz, John Iadarola
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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SECONDRATE ... you can't withdraw from a war unless you actually WITHDRAW. Committing more troops or more planes or more actions because you want to withdraw on your terms is what keeps a war going even tho you've been defeated.
NIXON withdrew troops from Vietnam and it was messy ... the USA embassy being overrun, helicopters lifting off the last few friendly South Vietnamese that they could evacuate, leaving tens of thousands ... if not more ... "allies" on the ground and at risk but that's what defeat looks like. And what was the alternative? MORE undeclared Vietnam War?
We aren't in Syria to fight ISIL and al Qaeda and the thirty one flavors of jihad. If that was our real goal we would have stopped sending jihadists arms. We would have bombed the jihadi oil convoys ... yanno, the ones we couldn't find with both hands and a flashlight for three years ... the ones the Russians found and bombed straightaway as soon as they entered the war. If fighting jihadis was our REAL goal, we would be in a position to tell Syria, and Russia ... Look, we know you don't want Turkey invading Syria either, so we'll hold the line until you guys can take over.
Our involvement in every one of our Mideast wars is going to end this way: In confusion, recriminations, and abandoned proxies. The government of Kabul in Afghanistan is going to feel abandoned. So are the few forces that still fight with us in Iraq. Libya is going to be overtaken by whoever it is that takes it over (Haftar maybe) and the government of Yemen (the one that let Obama secretly drone its people) is going to have to reach some kind of peace agreement with the Houthis.
THAT'S WHAT DEFEAT LOOKS LIKE.
But as I asked before: WHAT'S YOUR ALERNATIVE? MOAR WAR?
We failed to implement to Powell Doctrine on every single point, the one that Colin Powell developed after studying our defeat in Vietnam:
*Is a vital national security interest threatened?
*Do we have a clear attainable objective?
*Have the risks and costs been fully and frankly analyzed?
*Have all other non-violent policy means been fully exhausted?
*Is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement?
*Have the consequences of our action been fully considered?
*Is the action supported by the American people?
*Do we have genuine broad international support?
This whole Mideast debacle reminds me of Vietnam but on a much larger scale. Fighting because of WMD? "Freedon"? "Fight them there so we don't have to fight them here"? Can't stop now so let's throw good money after bad?
The same kind of mushy reasons that I heard for Vietnam. NONE of them make sense.
Nobody likes being defeated, but we've been defeated. We haven't achieved ... whatever it was we hoped to achieve ... installing Saudi/Israeli/American-friendly governments that would let us "develop" their gas and oil and would commit to using the petrodollar, most likely. Failing that, create a ring of failed states in the region which couldn't threaten anyone. Well, power vacuums don't last long, so here we are.
We were defeated in Afghanistan at least 12 years ago, and in Iraq at least 10 years ago, and we were defeated in Syria 4 years ago. THAT'S the hard pill to swallow.
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I asked what Cenk has to say about Turkey. Not Trump or the Kurds.
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Quote:In the video the answer Cenk gave was that the President of Turkey would throw every piece of dirt he had on Trump at Trump if Trump reversed himself on allowing an invasion of Syria. It would be interesting if Trump's Republican colleagues did get him to reverse himself. Then we might find out what the President of Turkey said to Trump during that infamous Sunday night phone call in order to persuade Trump to stab America's allies, the Kurds, in the back.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I asked what Cenk has to say about Turkey. Not Trump or the Kurds.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:In the video the answer Cenk gave was that the President of Turkey would throw every piece of dirt he had on Trump at Trump if Trump reversed himself on allowing an invasion of Syria. It would be interesting if Trump's Republican colleagues did get him to reverse himself. Then we might find out what the President of Turkey said to Trump during that infamous Sunday night phone call in order to persuade Trump to stab America's allies, the Kurds, in the back.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I asked what Cenk has to say about Turkey. Not Trump or the Kurds.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
The republicans are in a unique position at the moment. If I were them I'd walk into the oval office and tell Trump if he doesn't follow their instructions going forward, they'll impeach him and put him in jail. Either that or to get out of town.
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SECONDRATE: Trump has been promising for years that he would pull our trops out of the Mideast. He's tried it a few times already, and each time he's gotten tremendous pushback from the MOAR WAR contingent in both parties.
Why are you choosing to push a crank theory about "dirt on Trump*" when his intentions have been plain ever since he started running for office? Unlike his predecessors, Trump is actually trying to make good on his campaign promises, and this was one.
Oh, that's right, it's because you're
If you stop posting craziness, I'll stop posting this picture.
*That's about as credible as Putin's "dirt on Trump", or the magical Trump Towers that you keep posting about.
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Quote:If the GOP Senators do get Trump to retract the permission he gave to the President of Turkey to invade Syria, and then Turkey confiscates Trump's property, it would strongly suggest that Trump gave the permission in the first place mainly to protect his property. From that, his impeachment will follow.
Originally posted by THG:
The republicans are in a unique position at the moment. If I were them I'd walk into the oval office and tell Trump if he doesn't follow their instructions going forward, they'll impeach him and put him in jail. Either that or to get out of town.
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:If the GOP Senators do get Trump to retract the permission he gave to the President of Turkey to invade Syria, and then Turkey confiscates Trump's property, it would strongly suggest that Trump gave the permission in the first place mainly to protect his property. From that, his impeachment will follow.
Originally posted by THG:
The republicans are in a unique position at the moment. If I were them I'd walk into the oval office and tell Trump if he doesn't follow their instructions going forward, they'll impeach him and put him in jail. Either that or to get out of town.
tick tock
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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