Trolls and troll bashing
POSTED BY: Tieka
UPDATED: Friday, May 14, 2010 17:53
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Originally posted by Blaise:
and that's true of most social situations- when something bad happens, most people tend to seek someone to blame, and in this case, Firefly was the unfortunate show that was given DA's supposed timeslot. By the way, I hope the timeslot doesn't kill Firefly, because that was partly(and partly the storyline for s2) why DA wasn't given a second chance, the ratings were very poor on that night apparently.
I'd say that Firefly should have no problem in this position. X-Files did very well on Fridays, so I have no doubt Firefly will have *some* success. Sliders succeeded for three years (albeit, somewhat shakily) on the Fridays at 8:00 position as well.
The reason DA didn't have very good ratings, I'd presume, is because it wasn't all that *good.* It didn't draw that cult-audience it needed, because it was a very mediocre show, so the ratings slowly faded away.
I'm thinking now, that Fridays might be a really good place for the show. FOX doesn't expect astronomical ratings for that night, so FF will be ruled less by them than say... a Thursday position. I believe that the good-ness of the show will draw a *big* fanbase... and we'll see it succeed.
At least, I hope this will be the case.
About the trolls: I fully think that anyone who hasn't see a show and irrationally floods our boards with inane insults and profanity is by fault a troll. I don't think it matters their circumstances because I do feel sympathy for them... but they are still creating a hostile environment that I presume we all would like to avoid.
--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--
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Originally posted by NoVaGrAsS:
About the trolls: I fully think that anyone who hasn't see a show and irrationally floods our boards with inane insults and profanity is by fault a troll. I don't think it matters their circumstances because I do feel sympathy for them... but they are still creating a hostile environment that I presume we all would like to avoid.
--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--
I don't dispute they are trolls, because, as you said, if you come and post somewhere with the intention of being rude and inconsiderate about a show they know nothing about, to people who have come to discuss rational and thoughtful things about the said show, that makes you a troll.
When I first came to this site a few days ago, i did so with the intention of finding the forum and venting my anger and frustations about the DA cancellation towards the Firefly fans. But then I read a bit about the show, and thought this does look interesting, i'm not a fan (I can't be because I haven't seen a single episode yet)but it's made by Joss Whedon, and he's wicked, but I am looking forward to it reaching Australian shores. But what really turned me more than anything, was seeing what some of the trolls had already written, and I realised how wrong what I wanted to do was. When it comes right down to it, it's not Joss Whedons fault, it's not Fireflys fault, and the fans are most certainly not to blame, FOX is, it was their decision, no one elses. They'll get over it, they must have better things to do.
The people over on the DA boards came accross a cast photo for Firefly (and I must admit, it did look a bit cheesy, but the screen shots for the show look great)and they decided that Firefly looked bad, so it was a good direction to start bashing. As for Cher reading the pilot script for Firefly, she knows nothing. Scripts never look that great on paper, I remeber everyone was a bit doubtful of this years Buffy finale after reading the transcripts, they thought that Willow couldn't possibly pull of the dialogue realisticly, and look how that turned out. So anyways my point being the script shouldn't represent the outcome of the show, and Cher should know that, having had access to DA transcripts before show production.
Gee I talk too much. Basically i'm just tryin to extend the olive branch, please don't think that because of a few people, that every DA fan is going to be a troll, Cher is starting to give us a bad name.
Dark Angel and Firefly fans should unite, not fight. (I know, corny as hell)
Blaise
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Originally posted by Blaise:
As for Cher reading the pilot script for Firefly, she knows nothing. Scripts never look that great on paper, I remeber everyone was a bit doubtful of this years Buffy finale after reading the transcripts, they thought that Willow couldn't possibly pull of the dialogue realisticly, and look how that turned out. So anyways my point being the script shouldn't represent the outcome of the show, and Cher should know that, having had access to DA transcripts before show production.
Gee I talk too much. Basically i'm just tryin to extend the olive branch, please don't think that because of a few people, that every DA fan is going to be a troll, Cher is starting to give us a bad name.
Dark Angel and Firefly fans should unite, not fight. (I know, corny as hell)
About Cher having read the script: I highly doubt she actually did. Even if she did, she is in the minority for not liking it. Every other review of the script that I have seen has been full of flowing complements.
I like that you found the error in your ways and have become one of the first members of the community! I think everyone understands that all DA fans are not trolls. There are many that are fans of it on this site, as you're no doubt aware. They have the right to be upset, but the few that have posted inflammatory comments do not have the right to lambaste us, the fans. Those are the only real trolls we have had. Even the ones who are expressing rational opinions for their dislike of Firefly are not trolls... as they can speak rationally without insults and what not.
--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--
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So true. But I think that hating Firefly because it replaced DA is hardly rational. I just don't see how you could hate anything you haven't seen yet.
But I guess everyone has a right to their own opinion as long it is expressed in a decent way, without inflammatory remarks. I'm with the program now.
Blaise.
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First off, I can asure you that Cher did indeed read the script. I haven't read it though, so I can't tell you if it's good or not but I don't really care.
The second thing I wanted to say is that not all the people coming here to bash Firefly (well they might of not made their way here yet) are sent from Cher's. There was never a link up to this site from their's till either today or yesterday but, if you want to check out it out, another site that is just as bad... or worse (most of the people there are newbies) is http://www.darkangeltv.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi
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The nice thing about that board is that at least there seems to be some level headed people on that board who realize bashing people's show on another board is a waste of time, so that's cool.
It's a weird phenomenon, that only seems to spring up with sci-fi shows where the fans seem to feel it has to be one or another. Ever seen people debate the ye old Star Wars v.s. Star Trek thing?
Sci-fi is so disrespected as a genre that you'd think it's fans would be more united or something and support new shows. Really, if one sci-fi show does well it can actually help other sci-fi shows and sci-fi shows in general because it proves to the networks it's still a viable genre.
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Originally posted by NoVaGrAsS:
I think there is a sure-fire way to eliminate trolling. Here is my plan...
2.) A list of rules should be made. These rules should include the *very basics* of forum etiquette. They should be very basic and non-confrontational, allowing for disagreement, but not for hostility.
--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--
I've spent the past several days looking at different forums to see what sort of rules they have. Basically they are all the same, but the exact wording depends on the type of people in a forum. Based on all of this, and with a bit of editing, fluffing, folding, splindling,....etc, I have come up with the following. What do you think?
Tieka, sharing
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For the record, I am not a troll*. But I completely agree that the only thing to do with trolls is to ignore them to death.
Strong moderation on a board can help if the board is getting relentlessly spammed.
*On the other hand, I'm completely new here, I'm wandering around this board hopelessly lost wondering if I should introduce myself or something, and want to tell someone how amazingly impressed I am by this website. So, you know, take all that as being said.
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Well let me welcome you to the site. It looks busy and confusing, but that is a good thing. It's sort of like the first day at a new school. A million strangers moving around, and lots of signs and notices to read. Just dive right in, and join the fun. You'll get to know us real fast. 
We are all pretty neat people. Haken does a great job with the site and the rest of us do what ever we can to enjoy it all.
Tieka,
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Once you've been in Serenity, you never leave. You just learn to live there. --Firefly script
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Thank you very much.
Has this board been bothered a lot by trolls? I haven't had a chance to read all the threads yet but if it has, we can all probably be relieved by knowing that they don't usually stay around long.
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