Rumsfeld, Bush approved Iraq torture policy
POSTED BY: Ghoulman
UPDATED: Saturday, December 11, 2004 17:27
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Jasonzz... It's real, it's out there, it's not going away. Call it torture, call it what you will. The soft belly of the society will always be the prey... .The entire world is about manipulation, intimidation, control in one way or another. We all want to achieve some set of goals and we manipulate the environment around us to get our results. No matter what you do, some people are going to be unhappy and call it "torture" or some other thing. There are people who think that speaking roughly to a tomatoe plant is being unkind. If you live your entire lives letting others draw the lines for you, you'll never get anything done.
SignyM Again, what are you trying to say? That "manipulating the environment"= torturing people? (edit) That torture will always exist? That everyone is blind except you? That you PREFER a world in which torture is accepted because you'd like to use it yourself? Spit it out man! Tell me what you're REALLY thinking!
So Jasonzzz I noticed you never really answered my question.
So, here's another question- Do you truly believe that no one should draw the lines on your behavior?
Well then, why are you bitching about terrorists?
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:
Jasonzz... It's real, it's out there, it's not going away. Call it torture, call it what you will. The soft belly of the society will always be the prey... .The entire world is about manipulation, intimidation, control in one way or another. We all want to achieve some set of goals and we manipulate the environment around us to get our results. No matter what you do, some people are going to be unhappy and call it "torture" or some other thing. There are people who think that speaking roughly to a tomatoe plant is being unkind. If you live your entire lives letting others draw the lines for you, you'll never get anything done.
SignyM Again, what are you trying to say? That "manipulating the environment"= torturing people? (edit) That torture will always exist? That everyone is blind except you? That you PREFER a world in which torture is accepted because you'd like to use it yourself? Spit it out man! Tell me what you're REALLY thinking!
So Jasonzzz I noticed you never really answered my question.
So, here's another question- Do you truly believe that no one should draw the lines on your behavior?
Well then, why are you bitching about terrorists?
You are asking like it (my answer, not your question) really matters - not that anything does.
But not to be discourteous. Today, served one too many Grande, Chocolatte, Frappa-frinkin'-CChino, cut one too many lawns, and rotated one too many set of tires. Another time would be good.
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At your convenience.
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Still waiting
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And you will continue to wait as the neofascists on this BBS can't get any satisfaction unless they troll, lie, and badger anyone with an opnion they don't like.
That's why they are neofascists. 
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Photos of US Navy Seals' Prisoner Torture
http://mparent7777.blog-city.com/read/941890.htm
Kangaroo court in Guantanamo Bay
December 5, 2004
BY NAT HENTOFF
http://www.suntimes.com/output/otherviews/cst-edt-nat05.html
CLICK LINK FOR WHOLE ARTICLE ... should you even bother you fascist git.
While U.S. District Judge James Robertson irritated the White House on Feb. 9 by stopping a military tribunal at Guantanamo Bay because, he said, it was not a competent tribunal to decide the legal protections due those before it under the Geneva Convention, there is a separate set of proceedings for detainees there. The lawfulness of those proceedings is also under serious, continued question.
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Fascism - it's for you to learn about. 
Memo: Workers Threatened Over Prison Abuse
Tue Dec 7, 6:02 PM ET
http://story.news.yahoo.com/
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ap/20041207/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/prisoner_abuse
By PAISLEY DODDS, Associated Press Writer
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico - U.S. special forces accused of abusing prisoners in Iraq (news - web sites) threatened Defense Intelligence Agency personnel who saw the mistreatment, according to U.S. government memos released Tuesday by the American Civil Liberties Union .
CLICK LINK FOR ARTICLE ...
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The Bush Administration loved to beat up on Saddam because he was ignoring the UN, the Geneva Conventions, and human rights in general. Saddam ignoring the UN was "the" reason for going into Iraq, was it not? And of course Saddam was such a "bad man" and ignored human rights.
And then... they ignored the UN, the Geneva Convention, and human rights in general. YOu see, it's OK to hold people indefinitely without charge; to apply sleep deprivation, stress positions, beatings and humiliation that is "tatamount to torture"; to review detentions in a military hearing in which the detainee is NOT PRESENT and NOT ALLOWED TO SEE THE EVIDENCE against them; and to accept evidence obtained by torture. The reason why that is "acceptable", according to the Administration, is because these people are not American citizens and thus fall into the class of "sub-human" and accorded no rights whatsover.
I don't think that its too farfetched to call this FASCISM. What I find so very boggling is that supporters of the Administration fail to see that requiring Saddam meet UN/Geneva/human rights requirements and then totally flouting those requirement themsleves is a glaringly obvious contradiction. Why can't they actually manage to put some of these thought next to each other and notice that there is just a tad of hypocracy going on? Enquiring minds certainly want to know.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I don't think that its too farfetched to call this FASCISM.
Nor do I amigo.
Guantánamo torture and humiliation still going on, says shackled Briton
Vikram Dodd and Clare Dyer
Saturday December 11, 2004
The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/guantanamo/story/0,13743,1371609,00.html
Fresh allegations about a regime of torture and humiliation inflicted on detainees by their American captors at Guantánamo Bay have been made by a Briton still held there, according to Foreign Office documents seen by the Guardian.
The claims by Martin Mubanga, from London, are the latest to surface from the prison where the US holds 550 Muslim men it claims are terrorists in conditions that have sparked worldwide condemnation.
Mr Mubanga is one of four Britons still in Guantánamo, held without charge or trial.
See America? Worldwide shame on the USA.
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