Fascistic immigration policy continues to kill kids
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:And pretending to be a socialist
You took a cheap shot at AOC (who I could give a rats pa-tooty about) for wearing a $600 watch
You really want me to believe that you're bent up about AOC "pretending to be a socialist???"
Thanks for the funny.
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Originally posted by second:
Don't spout that nonsense about one death is too many. The majority of American voters don't care about 1 death or 1 million deaths. They don't care. They never have. They never will. Changing Presidents does not change that prisons and jails throughout the US are continuously plagued by surges in mortality rates due to varying degrees of underfunding, understaffing, negligence and a system inadequately in place to address serious mental healthcare and medical issues of individuals caught within the system. It is the American way. Fly the flag on the 4th of July, tomorrow. That, the majority of voters care about. Prisoner deaths? Not so much.
I think there are a number of Trump supporters who, on the inside, are ok with these deaths because they think of them as savages, less than human, "it'll teach the others a lesson!"
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Quote:you really want to believe I'm "bent" about AOC pretending to be a socialist?
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:And pretending to be a socialist
You took a cheap shot at AOC (who I could give a rats pa-tooty about) for wearing a $600 watch
You really want me to believe that you're bent up about AOC "pretending to be a socialist???"
Thanks for the funny.
I tend not to get "bent" about a politician's personal foibles, more about their policies. As you said, it was a cheap shot. One cheap shot for another. Don't hyperfocus on small points. That's just diversionary.
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Quote:Less total deaths under Obamination because CBP does not detain Illegal Aliens fleeing disastrous Obamanomics Economy, back to Mexico.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
You must really be outraged over Trump's golden penthouse!- CC
OMG!!! I'm outraged! It's butt-fucking ugly!- SIGNY
No? That doesn't bother you?- CC
Holy crap! YES, it bothers me! It's the worst pile of architectural go se ever.-SIGNY
Liar or Hypocrite? - CC
Are you asking me if AOC is liar or hypocrite?
Why choose? Both, maybe?
SIGNY
You rationalize obvious double standards with such ease. Like a seasoned pro. :wink- CC
Hey butthead ... did you finally get some advice on internet libel? Then maybe you should know that in light of your LONG HISTORY of defaming me (and other people around here) your nudge-nudge-wink-wink insinuations aren't going to help you.
You can't seem to separate my criticism of AOC from a defense of Trump. My beef with AOC is that she's an idiot pretending to be a socialist. I think her proposed policies mostly suck and won't solve the wealth gap.
But yanno, this doesn't have to be an either-or choice! I can be critical of both her AND Trump, right? I only agree with Trump on three things, remember? That's a pretty limited palette of things to agree on! Now, I happen to think that they're necessary to fixing what ails us ... necessary but not sufficient ... so he got my vote on those three things ... but I'm not claiming to support him in everything, or to think that he's a nice person.
Now, IN REALITY, it is a widely acknowledged FACT that deaths in custody UNDER OBAMA were about the same as deaths in custody under Trump so far. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/immigrant-deaths-under-trump-o
n-par-with-obama-numbers-dhs
There were more deaths at the border UNDER OBAMA than under Trump, so far. https://www.koat.com/article/border-deaths-under-obama-vs-trump/256879
75 Those pictures of kids in cages were taken UNDER OBAMA.
The stats have not been collected for 2019, and I expect that thanks to a surge of entrants at the border which approximately tripled the number of entrants for a month (b4 Trump threatened Mexico with tariffs if they din't stop "passing thru" central America migrants to the USA border) there wll be more deaths in custody/at the border for 2019, but on a per person basis, the record is about the same.
Any death under USA custody is one too many, but let's be realistic about this: Trump is no worse than Obama. You're just bitching because, yanno, Trump!
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Quote:Are you insane?
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:Another Einstein checks in. I dunno, geenius, just off the top of my head maybe you use the carrot to get people to legally cross the border? That's what you want, right? Unless of course, you don't want that as well.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
One of the problems with Trump's "solution" is it's all stick and no carrot.-CC
It's a truism that if you want to "stop" ppl from doing something, you punish them.
If you want people to "do" something, you reward them.
How in god's name do you set up a "reward" system that stops people from illegally crossing the border?
Don't freak - that will never happen with this admin. They don't want ANY immigrants from Mexico on down either, so you're "safe."
You think a carrot is needed to get people to want to enter America?
Can you name one single country in the world that does NOT have people waiting in line to enter America?
America admitted 1.18 Legal Immigrants in 2016.
There were 10.7 Million Illegal Aliens in America in 2016 - apparently 52% of them from Mexico. This is down from 12.2% in 2007, since the Rock-The-Vote Recession sent the Mexicans back home in droves.
In 2010 and 2011, almost 400,000 Deportations were performed, and total of 2.5 million from 2009-2015.
I don't see any shortage of folk wanting to enter America.
Somebody mentioned 675,000 Legal Immigrants last year. If true, that is more than the current populations of Wyoming, and Vermont, and also the 2010 population of North Dakota.
Quote:So, this means you have no sensible response to your insanity? Or you just finally realized how insipid your comment was?
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:Clearly the dumbest poster FFF.net has ever had. Or one of Kiki's puppets.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
You think a carrot is needed to get people to want to enter America?/b]
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This was the subject of discussion between CC and me. All I can say is: About time!
Quote:An awful lot of people making specious claims
Trump Ends Asylum Protections For Most Migrants At US-Mexico Border
In what we suspect will be immediately greeted by an avalanche of "we're a nation of (legal) immigrants" and calls of 'racism' and 'hitler', AP reports that the Trump administration on Monday moved to end asylum protections for most Central American migrants.
According to a new rule published in the Federal Register, asylum seekers who pass through another country first will be ineligible for asylum at the U.S. southern border.
The rule, expected to go into effect Tuesday, also applies to children who have crossed the border alone.
AP does note, however, that there are some exceptions:
If someone has been trafficked, if the country the migrant passed through did not sign one of the major international treaties that govern how refugees are managed (though most Western countries have signed them)...
or if an asylum-seeker sought protection in a country but was denied, then a migrant could still apply for U.S. asylum.
The new rule also will apply to the initial asylum screening, known as a "credible fear" interview, at which migrants must prove they have credible fears of returning to their home country. It applies to migrants who are arriving to the U.S., not those who are already in the country.
By way of background, things have escalated quite dramatically in the last decade:
During the budget year for 2009, there were 35,811 asylum claims, and 8,384 were granted.
During 2018 budget year, there were 162,060 claims filed, and 13,168 were granted.
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Immigration courts are backlogged by more than 800,000 cases, meaning many people won't have their asylum claims heard for years despite move judges being hired.
As AP notes, the policy is almost certain to face a legal challenge, and we suspect some judge somewhere in California is already drafting the order to strike down this policy, so don't hold your breath for any further slowdown in illegal border crossings.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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Quote:Trump had a plan back in April, but then he denied he had a plan to get around the courts: Judiciary Democrats seek details on Trump’s reported offer to pardon border chief
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
An awful lot of people making specious claimsQuote:
Immigration courts are backlogged by more than 800,000 cases, meaning many people won't have their asylum claims heard for years despite move judges being hired.
As AP notes, the policy is almost certain to face a legal challenge, and we suspect some judge somewhere in California is already drafting the order to strike down this policy, so don't hold your breath for any further slowdown in illegal border crossings.
04/16/2019 04:25 PM EDT
Top Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee requested information Tuesday related to President Donald Trump’s reported offer to pardon a top border official if he acted illegally to block asylum seekers.
Multiple media outlets reported Friday that Trump earlier this month told Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Kevin McAleenan he'd pardon him if he broke the law to deny migrants the ability to petition for asylum. It wasn’t clear whether the president intended the remark as a joke, and Trump denied later that day on Twitter that he "offered pardons to Homeland Securi[t]y personnel in case they broke the law."
More at www.politico.com/story/2019/04/16/trump-pardon-border-chief-1360503
Nobody knows what Trump's plans are, not even Trump.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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"Trump Fans the Flames of a Racial Fire"
Mr. Trump ritually denies any racial animus or motivations. His fight against illegal immigration, he says, is only about securing the border and protecting the country.
“I am the least racist person you have ever met,” he has said more than once. But he does not go out of his way to avoid looking like he is, and his string of Twitter posts on Sunday left his own advisers unable or unwilling to defend him. None of six spokespeople for the White House or his campaign initially responded to requests for comment.
One of the only administration officials who was already booked for the Sunday talk shows, Mark Morgan, the acting commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, made clear he wanted no part of it. “You’re going to have to ask the president what he means by those specific tweets,” he said on “Face the Nation” on CBS.
Other presidents have played racial politics or indulged in stereotypes. Secret tapes of Lyndon B. Johnson and Richard M. Nixon show them routinely making virulently racist statements behind closed doors. Mr. Nixon’s Southern strategy was said to be aimed at disenchanted whites. Ronald Reagan was accused of coded racial appeals for talking so much about “welfare queens.”
Mr. Trump’s history on race has been well documented, from his days as a developer settling a Justice Department lawsuit over discrimination in renting apartments to his public agitation during the Central Park Five case in New York. Jack O’Donnell, the former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, later wrote that Mr. Trump openly disparaged others based on race, complaining, for example, that he did not want black men managing his money.
“Trump has not only always been a racist, but anyone around him who denies it, is lying,” Mr. O’Donnell said on Sunday. “Donald Trump makes racist comments all the time. Once you know him, he speaks his mind about race very openly.”
www.nytimes.com/2019/07/14/us/politics/trump-twitter-race.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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This new regulation was published in the Federal Register, which means it's official.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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Quote:You are wrong, again. https://federalregister.gov/d/2019-15246 says it has NOT been published and it is NOT official until tomorrow: "This document is unpublished. It is scheduled to be published on 07/16/2019. Once it is published it will be available on this page in an official form. Until then, you can download the unpublished PDF version."
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This new regulation was published in the Federal Register, which means it's official.
Immigrant rights advocates vowed to challenge a new "racist" and "patently unlawful" policy from the Trump administration—set to take effect Tuesday—that aims to block many refugees from being eligible for asylum at the U.S. southern border.
www.commondreams.org/news/2019/07/15/racist-and-patently-unlawful-trum
p-unveils-new-rule-block-asylum-seekers-southern
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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