Fascistic immigration policy continues to kill kids

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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So far, all we're doing is creating desperate exploitable people and then importing them into the USA for the corporations' convenience. - SIGNY

We're doing more than that. We're creating desperate exploitable citizens who are in competition with cheaper foreign labor, automation and all of the illegals we take into the country.
Then to top that all off, we gimp our own people by not even bothering to teach them the Metric System in their formative years. Dollars to donuts that 95% or more of the people sitting in "concentration camps" right now know how to use the Metric System and have been using it all of their lives. - SIX

Yup - the f*cking metric system! That's the real problem! = GSTRING

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Wow, GSTTRING, it looks like you missed a whole triple ice cream banana split and focused on the cherry on top!

Well, you DO know the old saying, right? When the finger points to the moon, the fool looks at the finger


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Another Einstein checks in. I dunno, geenius, just off the top of my head maybe you use the carrot to get people to legally cross the border? That's what you want, right? - CC

Not really. IF you had read my post about what I want for this nation, the answer is ... only legitimate political asylum-seekers.- SIGNY

You mean... legal immigrants? Like I just said? -CC

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I mean people who meet the criteria for political asylum, which is a much narrower category than today's "legal" immigrants since we have a quota-based allowance for family re-unification, special skills, and people requesting asylum NOT for political reasons etc.

Do you know how many immigrants out system allows LEGALLY?

Of course not! You're just spouting generalities which lack subtance!

Our system allows 675,000 LEGAL immigrants into this country every year.

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/how-united-states-
immigration-system-works
https://immigrationroad.com/visa-bulletin/immigrant-visa-annual-limit-
and-cap.php
I would drop that to less than half.

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Unless of course, you don't want that as well. - CC

Well, give the man a gold star! IF we manage to stop interfering everywhere in the world, we can stop feeling responsible for all of the damage that we've done. (Yes, I know ... there are some people who still naively believe that we're on some sort of fucking worldwide mission of mercy. HAHAHAHA!!!) - SIGNY-

Wait, so you really don't want any immigration allowed to this country? Close the borders for good? (except "legitimate political asylum-seekers," whoever that is. I'm sure the definition of that will be interesting).- CC

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See above

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We do not have the means to solve the world's problems,- SIGNY

When you speak in such broad generalizations you lose credibility.- CC

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We do not have the means to solve the world's problems. Name one world problem that we can solve. Lack of infrastructure in the southern hemisphere? Political corruption? Poverty? Tyranny? Inequality? Climate shift? Overfishing? Plastic pollution? Heck, we can't even solve something relatively limited, like polio or malaria! I suppose we DO have the capacity to solve overpopulation if we set of strategically-placed nuclear bombs ... I'll give you that one!

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nor do we have the means to take in an infinite number of impoverished people.- SIGNY
We're not trying to take in an infinite number of people.
When you speak nonsense and make sh*t up you lose all credibility.- CC

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Okay, an "indefinite" number.

So, be specific: What's a good number for YOU? A million? Two million? Twenty million? More? Less?

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Hell, we can't even take care of our own homeless, mentally ill, unemployed, sick people who've been squeezed out of our ever-so-gracious system! - SIGNY

Maybe we should make them emigrate! That would solve the problem!
When you think the solution to such enormous problems are a couple of pithy sentences on a forum,

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Like you just wrote?

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you lose all credibility.- CC

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Hmm... well, I've written more than "a couple" of pithy sentences, but YOU refused to read them!

Importantly, I traced our moral culpability for the current immigration crisis all the way back to over a century of repeatedly invading, destabilizing, and overthrowing nascent democratic movements to our south, movements which were attempting land reform, education, higher wages, independent foreign and economic policy etc. We've ALWAYS been on the side of our banks, our corporations, and their internal elites and their military juntas, and this didn't happen just once but over and over, and is still happening today (Venezuela, Cuba, Honduras - thank you Hillary Clinton for that one! ... Brazil ...) As such, we have thwarted each nation's natural political and economic development and have a huge responsibility for how

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
... why people are so desperate and willing to endure extreme conditions, even death, to come here ...

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If they're so desperate for something better - for someplace not so controlled by local gangs gunning FOR THEM - why not go a few towns over? Or just across their borders into the next country over? Or seek asykum in Mexico? Why will the US and ONLY the US do?

Here's the reason. It's like dieting. If you're not hungry enough to eat a celery stalk, you're not hungry.

Or, since I have to be explicit for the lame of mind, if you're not desperate enough to go ANYwhere, you're not desperate.

ETA - So let me outline the story for you. People are putting their kids at risk by trying to cross illegally not because they're 'desperate' for anything better; and not because they're seeking legal status in the US. It's a different motivation. They're hoping to hit the jackpot - to cross undetected into the US, and to disappear into the background.

And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

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Originally posted by CEREALMUSH:
"legitimate political asylum-seekers" whoever that is. I'm sure the definition of that will be interesting).

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Here's the generic definition from Homeland Security:

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A refugee is a person outside his or her country of nationality who is unable or unwilling to return to his or her country of nationality because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion. An asylee is a person who meets the definition of refugee and is already present in the United States or is seeking admission at a port of entry. Refugees are required to apply for Lawful Permanent Resident (“green card”) status one year after being admitted, and asylees may apply for green card status one year after their grant of asylum.

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Are you following so far? There's some big words in there.
(*BTW, I hope you've noticed there's no spot for economic refugees.)
Take that definition and change it to this "on account of ... political opinion."
Clear enough?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
We do not have the means to solve the world's problems,

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Originally posted by CEREALMUSH:
When you speak in such broad generalizations you lose credibility.

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OK, here's a broad generality: the earth revolves around the sun. How much credibility have I lost?
You get stuck on the stupidest things, CEREALMUSH. Like the form of a statement rather than its content. Or the 'source' of news, rather than its veracity.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
nor do we have the means to take in an infinite number of impoverished people.

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Originally posted by CEREALMUSH:
We're not trying to take in an infinite number of people.
When you speak nonsense and make sh*t up you lose all credibility.

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And yet, it's a valid question you're trying to avoid.
Has the US set limits? It's a simple YES/ NO question you SHOULD be able to answer to determine whether or not Signy speaks 'nonsense'.

AND I EXPECT AN ANSWER.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hell, we can't even take care of our own homeless, mentally ill, unemployed, sick people who've been squeezed out of our ever-so-gracious system!

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Originally posted by CEREALMUSH:
Maybe we should make them emigrate! THAT WOULD SOLVE the problem!
When you think the SOLUTION to such enormous problems are a couple of pithy sentences on a forum, you lose all credibility.

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EXCEPT SIGNY DIDN'T PROPOSE THE SOLUTION _ YOU _ DID.

When you lie like that, you lose whatever shred of believability you might have thought you had. And, when you try to refute a point with complete shit-ass made up snark, you don't.

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Originally posted by CEREALMUSH:
How many immigrants

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sounds of tires screeching to a halt on the pavement

You forgot the word ILLEGAL. LEGAL V ILLEGAL. One is not like the other. No one is complaining about LEGAL immigrants.

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Originally posted by CEREALMUSH:
Filing under: ... running up her post count.

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Filing under: too chicken to post Russian Troll™.



And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

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Well, speak of the devil ....

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US Government Tops All for Creating Refugees
Eric Zuesse
June 30, 2019

On June 19th, Statistica headlined “Number of forcibly displaced people reaches new high”, and when one looks at the data, one finds an even bigger story which stands behind those numbers:

This new report from the United Nations documents Statistica’s headline, and it proves that America’s regime-change operations have actually created around half of the world’s refugees. It proves that America’s penchant for invading and trying to overthrow the governments that its billionaires want to replace (“regime-change”) has been by far the biggest of all single causes of refugees worldwide, vastly higher than any other government. Regardless of how bad those other governments might possibly be, the US regime is far worse — at least as being the cause, the creator, of the world’s refugee problems.

Consider the countries that the US regime has recently regime-changed or attempted to:

The US regime invaded Afghanistan in 2001, Iraq in 2003, Syria in 2012-2019, and has been applying, in order to overthrow the Government of Venezuela, strangulating economic sanctions. All of those four target-countries (Syria, Venezuela, Iraq, and Afghanistan) lead the list of nations that are bleeding the most refugees. The US regime’s “regime-change” operations abroad are therefore certainly the leading cause of the world’s refugee-crisis.

That’s the big news in the new UN report, though it is news that the report itself ignores.

The biggest of these crises in 2018 were Syria and Venezuela, which were the US regime’s most recent regime-change operations. But Afghanistan and Iraq are also among the top bleeders of refugees — even now, over 15 years after the US regime had invaded them.

On 26 January 2019, Britain’s Independent headlined “Venezuela crisis: Former UN rapporteur says US sanctions are killing citizens: ‘Modern-day economic sanctions and blockades are comparable with medieval sieges of towns’” ...

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MORE AT

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/06/30/us-government-tops-a
ll-for-creating-refugees/

But, I knew that already. And now, you do too.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

But, I knew that already. And now, you do too.

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At home, defense spending crowds out funds for everything else a prosperous economy and a healthy society need. Abroad, it has led us to become a country reflexively reliant on the military and one quite different from what we think ourselves to be or, I believe, wish to be.

For many years, the United States has increasingly relied on military strength to achieve its foreign policy aims. In doing so, it has paid too little heed to the issues that military power cannot solve, to the need for diplomatic capabilities at least as strong as military ones and, in particular, to the necessity of multilateral problem-solving — as slow and frustrating as it often is — to address current threats. Sadly, it took a rash and unbelievably unwise decision by the president to throw away the Iran nuclear deal for members of Congress and the public to begin to appreciate what tough, patient diplomacy can achieve.

We are now at the point of allocating too large a portion of the federal budget to defense as compared to domestic needs, tolerating too much spending that doesn’t buy useful capability, accumulating too much federal debt, and yet not acquiring a forward-looking, twenty-first-century military built around new cyber and space technologies. We have become complacent and strategically flabby about adapting to a profoundly altered world. Major change will require a quality of leadership we haven’t seen in a long time, from men and women in the White House, Congress, and the Pentagon who are respected for their knowledge and national security experience and who are willing to pay a political price for what must be done. Even then the process will be tough, slow, and painful, but it is surely overdue.

America’s Indefensible Defense Budget
www.nybooks.com/articles/2019/07/18/americas-indefensible-defense-budg
et/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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Another Einstein checks in. I dunno, geenius, just off the top of my head maybe you use the carrot to get people to legally cross the border? That's what you want, right? - CC

Not really. IF you had read my post about what I want for this nation, the answer is ... only legitimate political asylum-seekers.- SIGNY

You mean... legal immigrants? Like I just said? -CC

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I mean people who meet the criteria for political asylum, which is a much narrower category than today's "legal" immigrants since we have a quota-based allowance for family re-unification, special skills, and people requesting asylum NOT for political reasons etc.

Do you know how many immigrants out system allows LEGALLY?

Of course not! You're just spouting generalities which lack subtance!

Our system allows 675,000 LEGAL immigrants into this country every year.

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/how-united-states-
immigration-system-works
https://immigrationroad.com/visa-bulletin/immigrant-visa-annual-limit-
and-cap.php
I would drop that to less than half.

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Unless of course, you don't want that as well. - CC

Well, give the man a gold star! IF we manage to stop interfering everywhere in the world, we can stop feeling responsible for all of the damage that we've done. (Yes, I know ... there are some people who still naively believe that we're on some sort of fucking worldwide mission of mercy. HAHAHAHA!!!) - SIGNY-

Wait, so you really don't want any immigration allowed to this country? Close the borders for good? (except "legitimate political asylum-seekers," whoever that is. I'm sure the definition of that will be interesting).- CC

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See above

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We do not have the means to solve the world's problems,- SIGNY

When you speak in such broad generalizations you lose credibility.- CC

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We do not have the means to solve the world's problems. Name one world problem that we can solve. Lack of infrastructure in the southern hemisphere? Political corruption? Poverty? Tyranny? Inequality? Climate shift? Overfishing? Plastic pollution? Heck, we can't even solve something relatively limited, like polio or malaria! I suppose we DO have the capacity to solve overpopulation if we set of strategically-placed nuclear bombs ... I'll give you that one!

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nor do we have the means to take in an infinite number of impoverished people.- SIGNY
We're not trying to take in an infinite number of people.
When you speak nonsense and make sh*t up you lose all credibility.- CC

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Okay, an "indefinite" number.

So, be specific: What's a good number for YOU? A million? Two million? Twenty million? More? Less?

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Hell, we can't even take care of our own homeless, mentally ill, unemployed, sick people who've been squeezed out of our ever-so-gracious system! - SIGNY

Maybe we should make them emigrate! That would solve the problem!
When you think the solution to such enormous problems are a couple of pithy sentences on a forum,

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Like you just wrote?

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you lose all credibility.- CC

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Hmm... well, I've written more than "a couple" of pithy sentences, but YOU refused to read them!

Importantly, I traced our moral culpability for the current immigration crisis all the way back to over a century of repeatedly invading, destabilizing, and overthrowing nascent democratic movements to our south, movements which were attempting land reform, education, higher wages, independent foreign and economic policy etc. We've ALWAYS been on the side of our banks, our corporations, and their internal elites and their military juntas, and this didn't happen just once but over and over, and is still happening today (Venezuela, Cuba, Honduras - thank you Hillary Clinton for that one! ... Brazil ...) As such, we have thwarted each nation's natural political and economic development

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