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1KIKI

Friday, June 28, 2019 8:54 AM

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And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
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SIGNYM

Friday, June 28, 2019 2:17 PM

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Meh - start to figure out the best way to handle this by asking yourself: what kind of country do you want to have? - CC

Well! Funny you should ask! It's a question I've been trying to get ppl address for the past three years. Maybe longer! - SIGNY

Your answer will tell you. Trump's and Miller's choice for a solution of sadism and hatred may "work" given enough time - they have even (pretty cleverly) tricked the Democrats to go full on demagogue, as well as enlist the MSM to amplify their plan of Fear - but for me, no. That's not my solution because that's not the country I want to have. I will never support their sadism and bigotry as a solution. Not only unreliable for the end result and what price we will pay for it, it's the weakest motivation - base level hatred of another human. That is not the America I want, and it's pretty sad to see so many comfortable Americans being so comfortable with it. We're all here enjoying the possibilities of this country because at some point in our ancestral chain, we were helped to be here. - CC

Okay, I don't know about this "hatred" of other people that you seem to think drives any attempt at immigration control. Maybe if I tell you ... for the 20th time ... what kind of country I want it may sink in. First of all ... the government's FIRST obligation is to its citizens, NOT "the world". - SIGNY

And sorry to disappoint, but I'm not a fan of open borders - that's insane. In fact, I would definitely change our policy on Seeking Asylum. Just getting a foot on US soil so that you can get in the asylum pipeline is a ludicrous. No wonder people are rushing here and crossing any way they can. - CC

'K, where to start?

I posted a long and very unclear explanation about my thoughts on foreign policy etc, but I guess I'll start here, and differently:

WHY do people feel compelled to "help" illegal migrants?

Do they feel that "we" (as a nation) are somehow at fault?
Do they feel that America is "supposed to" stand for something better?
Or are they simply reacting to a shared Hispanic/Muslim/fill in ethnicity here and want "their" tribe to get some of the benefits of living and working here?

To the first question, I say that yes, America has a moral culpability for many of the migrant crises in our southern hemisphere and across the Middle East. We have "intervened" so many times thru so many decdes... bombed, invaded, destabilized, armed and fostered genocide, fomented civil wars, destroyed so much infrastructure, uprooted the livelihoods and cultures of so many ... that, yes, we DO shoulder quite a bit of blame for the poverty, trauma, and homelessness of many peoples. HOWEVER, it seems to me that the answer to THAT conundrum is not to succor the people that we broke. The answer is to stop breaking so many people.

To the second question, I think that responsiblity must equal authority and capability. You can't expect a person, entity, or nation, to solve a problem that is beyond it's legal authority or financial, etc capability. If you have stopped creating havoc and poverty throughout the world, then you are not morally oblgated to solve problems that are not only not of your own making, but are also beyond your capacity to fix. The only obligation that a nation has is to its own citizens living within its borders because that is the arena over which a nation has control.

If OTOH you're simply reacting to your "tribe" then I would say: Go back to where you came from, because your loyalty to your country of origin is obviously greater than your loyalty to your fellow citizens.

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AFA what to do with the border crisis.... The problem is that once a person is apprehended and put into custody, they become the resonsibility of the federal government, so the answer is to either deport them or decide their case as quickly as possible.

I would simply straightaway deport an

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, June 28, 2019 5:55 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

But overall, I would do the following:

1) Get rid of the birthright citizenship clause of the 14th amendment--- can't & won't ever happen

2) Make English the official language of the USA--- lol, good luck with that

3) Follow a non-interventionist foreign policy, and that means no sanctions, no destabilizations, no wars, no electoral interference in other nations... as soon as they all stop maybe we can too

4) The above changes to our asylum process...Dems will never do any of it

5) End destructive "free trade" agreements...don't end them, just make sure they're good for our country like Trump has already done

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Friday, June 28, 2019 7:55 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well! Funny you should ask! It's a question I've been trying to get ppl address for the past three years. Maybe longer!
Maybe if I tell you ... for the 20th time ... what kind of country I want it may sink in.

Gee, I can't imagine why no one gives a sh*t about the same dull lecture for 20th time... can you?

Pass on the rest.

SIGNYM

Friday, June 28, 2019 9:38 PM

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But overall, I would do the following:

1) Get rid of the birthright citizenship clause of the 14th amendment--- can't & won't ever happen

2) Make English the official language of the USA--- lol, good luck with that

3) Follow a non-interventionist foreign policy, and that means no sanctions, no destabilizations, no wars, no electoral interference in other nations... as soon as they all stop maybe we can too

Who are "they", and what are "they all" doing? What do we need to counter, that requires our aircraft carriers, bombers, and troops?

I'm not kdding; that's a serious question.

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4) The above changes to our asylum process...Dems will never do any of it

5) End destructive "free trade" agreements...don't end them, just make sure they're good for our country like Trump has already done

I realize that these won't go far, but I think this is not only the best, but probably the ONLY solution to our immigration problem.

Oh, yeah, and

6) Build and man the decent wall.
7) Do a better job focusing on finding and deporting illegal aliens

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

JONGSSTRAW

Saturday, June 29, 2019 12:00 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Who are "they", and what are "they all" doing? I'm not kdding; that's a serious question.

"They" are hostile foreign governments. What are "they" doing? Not much, just some

Invading/occupying other countries
Sponsoring terrorism w/ weapons and money
Harboring terrorist groups
Sponsoring cyber terrorism … banking, nuclear plants, electric grids, porn searches
Helping Demotards get elected
Making/selling nukes and chemical weapons

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What do we need to counter, that requires our aircraft carriers, bombers, and troops?

Like The Boy Scouts say "Be prepared."
Like Teddy Roosevelt said " Speak softly and carry a big nuclear bomb."
Like Bela Oxmyx said "Most cooperative man I know is a dead man."

SIGNYM

Saturday, June 29, 2019 1:02 AM

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Who are "they", and what are "they all" doing? I'm not kdding; that's a serious question. - SIGNY

"They" are hostile foreign governments. What are "they" doing? Not much, just some

Invading/occupying other countries

The USA? If not- so what?

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Sponsoring terrorism w/ weapons and money

In the USA? If not - so what?

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Harboring terrorist groups

In the USA? If not- so what?

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Sponsoring cyber terrorism … banking, nuclear plants, electric grids, porn searches

In the USA? If not- so what?

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Helping Demotards get elected

Hey! I thought that was RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA! (In reality, it's Israel.)

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Making/selling nukes and chemical weapons

Except for N Korea ... no, sorry. That's as big a non-issue as RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA!

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What do we need to counter, that requires our aircraft carriers, bombers, and troops?- SIGNY
Like The Boy Scouts say "Be prepared."

For what?

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Like Teddy Roosevelt said " Speak softly and carry a big nuclear bomb."

Already doing that. Why invade other nations?

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Like Bela Oxmyx said "Most cooperative man I know is a dead man."

Kill 'em all? Is THAT your plan?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

REAVERFAN

Saturday, June 29, 2019 2:05 AM

I'm going to put an explainer here on just HOW FUCKING BAD yesterday's move was. This is all going to get into some very dark literal nazi accounting type shit, so if you're triggered by humans being discussed like cattle you've been warned. Also I use ICE but include CBP for much of this too.

Here's what happens if ICE runs out of money before the first:

The federal government goes into 'skeleton crew mode'. This means they all but stop workplace raids, they stop investigations, and basically arrests just go down significantly because they have to reduce staff and they're responsible for custody, including state custodial laws. Federal contractors get promissory notes saying they'll be paid in the future and everyone treats those as good as cash because they don't want to kill a cherry 5 year contract just because the feds are a few months late.

So why is this happening? The office of budget management basically tries to help guide the executive along with a ton of other agencies in similar roles in how to spend money. It's a pretty simple equation, for every person you arrest and every family you separate, you need to have a place to put them and people to watch them, and thus you need a pipeline that's fairly consistent. Ironically the Nazis understood this which is why their records and lines were horrifyingly efficient (brought to you by IBM).

Trump however basically just routinely tells ICE and CBP to just arrest everyone and he's giving them insane quotas and leeway on the arrest side but because their staffing is static, this means he's fucked up and created a bottle neck. The bottle neck means they're constantly short staffed on the detention side and there's literally just not enough human bodies to staff the concentration camps. Whenever Trump finds them extra cash, he tosses it straight to capture.

So the Democrats created a message about the abhorrent conditions due to all these issues and they brought up toothpaste and soap. McConnell began devising a plan and had his people begin a call to action. Democrats did the same thing too. The democrats created a funding bill in which detainees/prisoners would be required to be fed every 48 hours at a bare minimum, they'd be required to be given soap and basic hygeine items to combat the rampant flu outbreak sending people to the ICU, and most importantly that ICE would freeze it's 'bed count' and not put a dime towards expanding the concentration camps and that they only hold people for 3 months. The bill doesn't even stop ICE, it just forces them to process people faster and give humane conditions for those being processed. It even paid for judges to do faster processing.

McConnell had his people send out the message that specifying how the cash gets spent was a poison pill and that the president needs 'flexibility'. The problem with that beyond all the moral issues of supporting ICE at all, is that from a logistical standpoint every dollar ICE has that is not bolted to the floor is going straight towards arrests, intelligence (to help arrest), and investigations. The Senate, including 30ish senate democrats who are morons, passed a clean bill that only ties 10m to something you can sue over (10m in medical consumable goods). Everything else is in totally vague categories like 'transportation' which legally could include expanding arrests capacity. These words are not defined in the bill.

The bill is 3 pages long, with the first pages delineating 2b dollars to the military. For comparison, the last appropriations bill I really absorbed involved food stamps and had 20 pages of stipulations and definitions to explain how the money gets apportioned. This bill basically has a page. It ALSO includes language to give the ability for the DHS secretary to change and redirect where the loosely described categories get spent WITHOUT congressional approval, they just need to submit a report about their changes to the appropriations committee but they do n

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, June 29, 2019 3:01 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Meh - start to figure out the best way to handle this by asking yourself: what kind of country do you want to have? - CC

Well! Funny you should ask! It's a question I've been trying to get ppl address for the past three years. Maybe longer! - SIGNY

Your answer will tell you. Trump's and Miller's choice for a solution of sadism and hatred may "work" given enough time - they have even (pretty cleverly) tricked the Democrats to go full on demagogue, as well as enlist the MSM to amplify their plan of Fear - but for me, no. That's not my solution because that's not the country I want to have. I will never support their sadism and bigotry as a solution. Not only unreliable for the end result and what price we will pay for it, it's the weakest motivation - base level hatred of another human. That is not the America I want, and it's pretty sad to see so many comfortable Americans being so comfortable with it. We're all here enjoying the possibilities of this country because at some point in our ancestral chain, we were helped to be here. - CC

Okay, I don't know about this "hatred" of other people that you seem to think drives any attempt at immigration control. Maybe if I tell you ... for the 20th time ... what kind of country I want it may sink in. First of all ... the government's FIRST obligation is to its citizens, NOT "the world". - SIGNY

And sorry to disappoint, but I'm not a fan of open borders - that's insane. In fact, I would definitely change our policy on Seeking Asylum. Just getting a foot on US soil so that you can get in the asylum pipeline is a ludicrous. No wonder people are rushing here and crossing any way they can. - CC
'K, where to start?

I posted a long and very unclear explanation about my thoughts on foreign policy etc, but I guess I'll start here, and differently:

WHY do people feel compelled to "help" illegal ~~migrants~~?

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Do they feel that "we" (as a nation) are somehow at fault?
Do they feel that America is "supposed to" stand for something better?
Or are they simply reacting to a shared Hispanic/Muslim/fill in ethnicity here and want "their" tribe to get some of the benefits of living and working here?
This is one aspect, but a start with those 3.
4. The camraderie of Outlaws, all Illegal Outlaws being in brotherhood, those refusing to obey laws, incapable of obeying laws, and refusing to abide the Constitution. These share the code-word "Democrat"
5. Those intentionally working to evade the Constitution for purely political purposes/gain - to maximize the fraudulent Voting which gets them elected (meaning Democrats).

That #5 might not fit into "feel compelled" but more "need to"

The other side: why do some people NOT support Illegal Aliens?
1. As Law-abiding Citizens, they feel everybody should obey Laws,and The Constitution.
2. They believe nobody should be allowed to immigrate. I don't know if this category actually exists, but just in case Libtards find an example, it is here in the list.
3. They believe Immigration should be fair, balanced, equal opportunity. Actual Asylum Seekers and those trying to legal improve their lot in life from Europe, Asia, Africa, Americas, all of the 193 other nations in the world, should not be forced to wait in legal line behind all of the Illegal Aliens cutting into the front of the line, just because their country shares a land border.
4.. They do not believe the Nation should be polluted with the likes of those whose first act is to commit crimes against America, against Americans. This is not part of the Social Contract, and most feel that those refusing to abide the Social Contract should be ostracised, not coddled.

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To the first question, I say that yes, America has

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