IRAN: Trump's war?

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Sunday, September 6, 2026 16:14
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So, are you now disavowing your claim that ...

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
we definitely aren't starting wars

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And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Trump was pretty clear when he was campaigning that Iran was the exception to his non-interventionist policy. (Not that Trump has made much success of troop withdrawal and non-intervention anyway.) Even Michael Flynn was pretty hot against Iran. Flynn was also pro-Erdogan.

Russia isn't really keen on a mideast conflagration. I keep reading that Russia and Iran have very different ideas on what they want the Mideast to look like, and Iran has in reality made good progress in completing the Shia Crescent by supporting Iraq, Syria, and Hezbollah in Lebanon. So there is good reason to try and thwart Iran's ambitions, and the current leaders of Iran may be just Trump-like enough to use "maximum pressure" themselves against Trump. Which, again, makes it all the more strange that Trump backed down.

I think what Russia has proposed to Iran is that they'll get around the sanctions by facilitating Iran's oil trade with Russia and with China, in an oil-for-goods deal that will blunt the sanctions worst effects. I don't know if that's good enough for Iran, or if the Iranian leadership really wants to bloody Trump's nose.

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I have yet to hear a single reason for why getting into a war with Iran is a good idea, or necessary. For why? I have not heard a single good idea, not even a bad idea - no motivation for it. Did Bolton have an Iranian neighbor that played their music too loud? "We need the oil." Nothing, not a single reason, not even a decent lie.
Let us know if you have a guess.

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This is a pretty good question. And it's been on the tip of my tongue for a while now. Not because I didn't think of a reason, but because I haven't heard my reason stated out loud - and for that reason I somewhat dismissed the question.

As I understand it, USA does not need the oil anymore, right? US is a petroleum supplier, right? We produce more petroleum than we consume, and we export the rest. Please correct me if I am incorrect here.

WE are no longer making any effort to solve middle East conflicts, to spur Middle East Peace, right? Although Bush 41 & 43 made inroads and progress, Obama and Clinton managed to destroy all progress, and instigate/support Terrorists, such that we cannot hope to do much until some settling and stability occur, correct? So our goals with Iran are not exactly about bringing incipient Middle East Peace.

Which brings us to the instability that the Terrorist Nation of Iran brings to the region. What other force in the region is more destabilizing than Iran?

I'm not thinking of another reason to be dealing with Iran at this point, other than to correct the disaster that Obama and Hilliary caused with Iran.

But because I have not heard much about this voiced or written by the Administration, I cannot know if they have the same viewpoint, or a similar or opposing one.

At this point, I am sidestepping the petrodollar argument, to see if there is at least a pretext of a reason, depending upon your level of cynicism.

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Originally posted by second:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Second. You are rich. YOU are the enemy of the people.

You had better start building that panic room and digging that moat for your castle.

Things aren't getting any better and there are no indicators that show the only way for everybody to go is down.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I am opposed to Trump's Iran War schemes because he is cowardly, ridiculous, and dithering.

6ix, I know all about the poor getting poorer and the Trumps getting richer, and I oppose everything Trump and the GOP are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States

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Looks like these charts show how Clinton & Obamination were all about the poor getting poorer and the rich getting richer.
I'll refer to these graphs using this number Legend:
1 2
3 4

Graph 1 shows that from 1992 to 2001, Slick Willie was able to invert the relationship of the poor (taking away) and rich (giving to). Graphs 2, 3, and 4 further show how Slick really shafted the middle and lower classes.

They all show that, although the Rock-The-Vote Democraps stuck it to the Rich for a bit, Obama went to work getting it all back to the rich, and more = while taking from the poor and middle class.

The Bush 43 period shows in all 4 graphs that the poor did not suffer nearly as much as when they get shafted by Slick and Obamination.


But graphs 1 and 2 help illuminate an interesting perspective on history. Back around 1980, with the disastrous Carter economy, runaway inflation and unemployment, it would have been a neat solution to trick the wealthy into investing into working ventures to spur the economy. If only they could be tricked!! Sure, they would need to pay more in Taxes, but they could reap some more income as well.
These 2 chart do demonstrate that this was indeed the trick that was employed. If folk from 1980 could have known they could pull this trick and spur the juggernaut of economic expansion (now called Reaganomics), they would have jumped at the chance! It is just a trick!

But now, in retrospect, the Libtards and malcontents look back at this cool trick to turn the country around, and they only see bad things.
Amazing, how deluded the Libtard masses can be.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
College in America for a majority of the kids who go there is just a way to enslave them to the system for the rest of their lives.

Funny how college debt is one of the few debts that don't get erased in a bankruptcy, innit?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I for one am glad I went to college. But my degree(s) were in something useful which got me a good job, and I lived like a pauper rather than take on debt.

I've read that roughly a third of college students are food and housing insecure.

When I went to college, local landlords charged EXORBITANT rents because they knew they had a captive market. Which is why there was that truism of college students living in living rooms, porches, and unfinished attics and basements. Do they not do that anymore? There's also that portrayal of starving students eating Raman endlessly. In my day, a crap ton of powdered milk with a little bit of sugar mixed into whole milk was a (fairly) nutritious cheap meal for the whole day. Do students not know how to feed themselves for cheap anymore?

I'd very much like to look into the nit-picky specific details of student poverty today, and student debt today. I wonder how much is due to assumptions being made about luxuries being treated as necessities. Because people I've seen who go to college seem to expect a lifestyle that includes single-bedroom apartments, nice cars, I-phones, and a good supply of new clothes.

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Because that is the way it is portrayed on TV, by actors who dropped out of high school.
You cannot really expect the kids of today to know how to feed themselves, can you? Where do you think is the app for that? I'm not even sure the kids of helicopter parents had a clue how to live in the real world.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
I have always been glad that hubbs left the service before he would've been sent overseas.

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Didn't stick it out.

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He tried to go for a degree in Criminal Justice and hated it

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It was too hard.

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and there was some weird snafu with paperwork

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He got disorganized and confused.

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so he ended up going for a tech degree.

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He spent money on something he didn't pursue.

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I think he would have washed out of police work after a while

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They would have kicked him out.

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He wanted to drive trains, but you don't make enough to support a family on that here, and with the "sitting down narcolepsy" ( can no longer drive for more than an hour at a time without passing out) he has we are ALL much better off that he didn't...

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They might not have accepted him.

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I wanted to be a surgical tech

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I never even tried because I was too much of a slacker and probably would have failed..

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That, and the focusing that hard for hours on end. I could have in high school, but these days I drift too much...

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Because I have no discipline.

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I'm really glad that I didn't go for college

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I probably would have failed.

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and change careers three times like the rest of my family...

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I have no career at all. Or even a job.

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that are in debt up to their eyeballs and will be until the day they die...

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As are we, but at least I don't have a job to go with the debt.

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Nice how you really have no control how your life ends up where it does, isn't it?

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Yes, that's how I explain to myself how I ended up here.

And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
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Fired For Effect. All on target.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Fired For Effect. All on target.

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I can't imagine you were ever ACTUALLY in the military...You are a fucking coward.
Don't mind coming in and reposting other people's shit because you are too stupid to come up with anything on your own.

You would have been shot by your own platoon

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Thankfully, the military does psych evaluations to keep people like Nilbog out of it so you're not concerned about friendly fire for saying something that hurt somebodies feels.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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https://www.facebook.com/NationandStatedotcom/posts/2390674057645599 (original source - multiple websites reprinted the article)

As We Face Armageddon, Paul Craig Roberts Warns The Western World Is Leaderless

According to news reports, the validity of which cannot be ascertained by the general public, a crazed US government came within 10 minutes of igniting a general conflagration in the Middle East, the consequences of which could have been catastrophic for all.

The moronic warmongers in high office - Bolton, Pompeo, and Pence - and their Israel Lobby masters are determined, and they have not abandoned their campaign for war with Iran.

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The upcoming war on Iran has got to be one of the world's worst-kept secrets. It's publicly been on Bolton's, Pompeo's, and Pence's - AND Trump's - agenda for years, in some cases decades.

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Of course, the liars say that Iran will just accept its punishment for defending its territory and there will be no war. But this is not what Iran says. I believe Iran.

Some of the tiny percentage of people in the Western World who are still capable of thought regret that Trump called off the insane plan. They think the consequences would have been the destruction of the Saudi and Israeli governments—two of the most evil in history—and the cut-off of oil to the US and Europe, with the resulting depression causing the overthrow of the Western warmonger governments. They believe that catastrophic American defeat is the only way peace can be restored to the world.

In other words, it is not clear whether Trump calling off the attack saved us or doomed us. The Israel Lobby and their neoconservative agents have not been taught a lesson. Trump has not fired Bolton and Pompeo for almost igniting a conflagration, and he has not dressed down his moronic vice president. So, it can all happen again.

And likely will. The lesson that Bolton and Israel have learned is that the fake news about an Iranian attack on a Japanese freighter, denied by the Japanese ...

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How many people here know that the captain of the Japanese oil tanker said it was a drone attack, and was not a mine?

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... was not sufficient to lock Trump into “saving face” by attacking Iran. So be prepared for a larger orchestrated provocation. Bolton and Israel know that the Western presstitutes will lie for them. Watch for a provocation that allows Trump no alternative to an attack.

Washington’s use of fake news and false flag attacks to launch military attacks goes back a long way.

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Or even not so far back.

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In the 21st century we have had a concentrated dose — Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction, Assad’s use of chemical weapons, Iranian nukes, Russian invasions, Maduro starving his own people, the endless lies about Gaddafi. Yes, I know there are more. I am writing an article, not an encyclopedia.

Washington has grown accustomed to attacking countries on false pretenses and getting away with it.

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Starting with Kosovo BTW.

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Therefore, there is nothing to discourage the Israel Lobby and its Washington puppets from continuing to set-up Iran for an attack. Success breeds incaution. The attack on Iraq was stage-managed by a credible US Secretary of State before the UN. The attack on Libya was stage-managed by a UN resolution that a deceived Russia and China failed to block. In situations such as these, Washington arranged a green light for its war crimes. However, Washington has failed to stage-manage a green light for an attack on Iran.

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The Europeans have gotten wary of US 'intelligence' claims. I'd say "it's about time", but they can scrape up enough belief if it suits their purposes.

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Moreover, Iran is a more powerful military force than Iraq and Libya, and the extent of the depth of Russian and Chinese support for Iran is unknown to Washington.

If Israel succeeds in having its Washington puppet attack Iran, Israel and its neoconservative agents

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