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Why Obama’s clean energy legislation died in the Senate after passing the House.
The October 6, 2010 New Yorker has a “behind the curtain” dissection of the rise and fall of climate legislation in the Senate. It provides an interesting insider view of the always messy legislative process.
The reason Senate passage of climate legislation was impossible in 2010: unified and uncompromising GOP opposition in the Senate.
Republican lockstep opposition to the energy bill and other Democratic priorities is reflected in Senate floor voting patterns. Congressional Quarterly developed a “Party Unity” score based on the proportion of votes that “pitted a majority of one party against a majority of the other.” Such votes reflect that each party’s position was different, and a majority of the senators voted with their party.
Republican leaders in 2009 adopted a strategy of opposing President Obama on every major legislative effort to deny him victories that would enhance his popularity.
The 111th Congress also saw an increase in the proportion of Republican senators voting with their party majority. Eighty-five percent of Republicans voted with their party in 2009, while that increased to 90 percent in 2010.
Congressional Quarterly describes the increased Senate polarization in 2010:
Almost four out of five roll call votes in the Senate have pitted a majority of Democrats against a majority of Republicans—the highest percentage of so-called party-unity votes seen since Congressional Quarterly began tabulating them in 1953.
Most telling, however, is the support accorded President Obama on the 51 Senate roll calls this year… where he took a position. On average, Democrats supported him 95 percent of the time, up from 92 percent in 2009. And Republicans backed away from their 50 percent average presidential support score last year to vote with Obama just 42 percent of the time.
Opensecrets.org found that electric utilities and oil and gas companies spent more than $500 million in lobbying from January 2009 to June 2010, primarily to weaken or defeat energy legislation. A Center for American Progress Action Fund analysis found that oil companies were six of the top seven spenders on lobbying and campaign contributions during this period, with ExxonMobil number one.
Big Oil’s campaign contributions are heavily tilted toward Republicans.
www.americanprogress.org/issues/green/news/2010/10/12/8569/anatomy-of-
a-senate-climate-bill-death/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Still not Trump's fault.
Originally posted by second:
Why Obama’s clean energy legislation died in the Senate after passing the House.
Republican leaders in 2009 adopted a strategy ...
And you know, if Obama had stumped for his goals the way FDR did, he might gotten a swell of public support the way FDR did, and routed the opposition in the midterms the way FDR did (instead suffering a massive loss at all levels), and gotten his goals through legislatively the way FDR did.
That btw is how you can tell if someone means what they say. Are they just blathering, or are they walking their talk?
But Obama didn't REALLY want to confront the multinationals. So he blathered and did as little as possible on global warming.
And then of course one wonders about Clinton, and the many decades of a democratic Congress. Were they infected with the multinational cancer as well?
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
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Quote:1kiki, you have history wrong. You give FDR far too much credit. Give credit to Herbert Hoover, who is remembered "as the man who was too rigidly conservative to react adeptly to the Depression, as the hapless foil to the great Franklin Roosevelt, and as the politician who managed to turn a Republican country into a Democratic one."
Originally posted by 1kiki:
And you know, if Obama had stumped for his goals the way FDR did, he might gotten a swell of public support the way FDR did, and routed the opposition in the midterms the way FDR did (instead suffering a massive loss at all levels), and gotten his goals through legislatively the way FDR did.
www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/23/hating-on-herbert-hoover
In 72nd Congress (1931-1933) the majority party in the Senate was Republican (48 seats) and the Minority Party was Democrat (47 seats). The GOP had more than the magic number of 41% of the seats in the Senate and the GOP could block any kind of sensible legislation to handle the Great Depression. In the next election, control flipped decidedly to Democrats. That was not FDR’s accomplishment.
FDR was a man in a wheelchair running against strong and healthy Herbert Hoover and the GOP’s failures. (FDR died at age 63, Hoover at 90) If more voters had been aware of FDR’s polio, he would have lost the election. In his second term President Hoover would be vetoing every bill coming from a Democratic controlled Senate. There would not have been enough Democrats in Congress to override Hoover’s vetoes. The Great Depression would have gotten worse and the Democrats would be blamed.
The 73rd Congress (1933-1935), which arrived in the same election as FDR, had a Majority Party of Democrats (59 seats) against Republicans (36 seats) in the Senate. The GOP is out of power, but the voters can only hope the Democrats will do something about the Great Depression. The Democrats can do, but only because the GOP can’t stop it, although it tries very hard. In the next election the Democrats have even more Senators. It is 69 Democrats versus 25 Republicans. For once, the Republicans are completely helpless to stop the Democrats from fixing the economy.
Ex-President Herbert Hoover spends the rest of his life hating Social Security and the New Deal, calling it a Communist plot. Ronald Reagan meets with Hoover many times and learns how beautiful capitalists are and how wrong and un-American the New Deal is, as are Unions, Medicare, Social Security, or anything passed into law by Democrats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Institution
The Republican party will handle climate change the same way it handled the Great Depression – America will have to endure problems until they go away as mysteriously as they arrived. Very little need be done about problems that will solve themselves if Capitalism is given enough time to work its magic without government interference. That didn’t work for the Great Depression. That won’t work for climate change.
Quote:1kiki, you still do not yet understand that Clinton or Obama could do nothing legislative about climate change because the Republicans had the seats in the Senate to filibuster. And what Obama could do by executive order, Trump immediately un-did by executive order. It is the Republican way. I assume you remember how the GOP mocked Vice-President and Presidential candidate Al Gore on climate change.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
But Obama didn't REALLY want to confront the multinationals. So he blathered and did as little as possible on global warming.
And then of course one wonders about Clinton, and the many decades of a democratic Congress. Were they infected with the multinational cancer as well?
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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So ...still not Trump's fault.
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Quote:1kiki, if you mean that any elected Republican in the Senate, House or White House will use their position to deny climate change, you are right. You are wrong if you mean none of them are at fault for what they do, since there are fifty million Republicans denying climate change and you feel it is only right to place all the fault on only a few nasty people.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So ...still not Trump's fault.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_executions
According to new analysis from the Center for American Progress Action Fund, there are 150 members of the 116th Congress — all Republicans — who do not believe in the scientific consensus that human activity is making the Earth’s climate change. Notably, since the previous Congress, the number of climate deniers has decreased by 30 members, in part because 47 former deniers retired, resigned, or were defeated in their 2018 re-election contests.
www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/green/news/2019/01/28/172944/cli
mate-deniers-116th-congress/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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"The 73rd Congress (1933-1935), which arrived in the same election as FDR, had a Majority Party of Democrats (59 seats) against Republicans (36 seats) in the Senate. The GOP is out of power, but the voters can only hope the Democrats will do something about the Great Depression. The Democrats can do, but only because the GOP can’t stop it, although it tries very hard. In the next election the Democrats have even more Senators. It is 69 Democrats versus 25 Republicans. For once, the Republicans are completely helpless to stop the Democrats from fixing the economy."
That's a remarkably similar scenario to Obama - and Bush. Obama didn't run against McCain, he ran against Bush, and a rapidly collapsing economy. The 2008 election saw democrats in a slim majority in the senate with 2 caucusing independents, and a comfortable majority of 232 to 200 in the house. You seem to forget that democrats ran the country for the first 2 years of Obama's first term.
In his first 2 years, FDR has SIGNIFICANT opposition to his plans FROM HIS OWN PARTY. But instead of folding and backing down, he took his plans for radical action directly to the people.
Obama - not so much. Instead of publicly stumping for his plans - He weasled. He quietly backed off of his promises. He joined the other side surveilling citizens and carrying out covert and proxy wars.
Both faced opposition in their first 2 years. But they made radically different choices to counter that.
Because they made radically different choices in their first 2 years, their mid-terms went in radically different directions. FDR just about cleared Congress of Republicans. Obama created the biggest reversal for democrats ever, when you count congress, state legislators, and governorships.
The democrats have themselves to blame. In Obama they promised a populist. But they provided a deep-stater.
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
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Quote:1kiki, you're full of shit. The President "going to the people" will NOT flip Republican states into states with Democratic Senators. The states which flipped in 1930's to Democrat did it because the Republicans had done a terrible job responding to the Great Depression. Those states would have flipped right back to Republican if, under FDR, the Senate Majority leader had remained a Republican like Mitch McConnell, a guy stymying all New Deal legislation. It would be "proof" to dimwitted voters that Democrats are no different than Republicans at handling the Great Depression. Dimwits never understood how the rules of the Senate have always given a minority such huge power to stop legislation. Dimwits always misunderstand what is happening and they never correct themselves.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
The democrats have themselves to blame.
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
On Thursday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority leader Mitch McConnell finally found common ground. They both agreed that McConnell is the "Grim Reaper." They were both talking about McConnell killing climate change legislation.
To me, in political terms, McConnell is actually far worse than the Grim Reaper. The Grim Reaper only comes once in our lifetimes -- at the moment of death. In contrast, McConnell has been killing climate change legislation for years. Add to that, McConnell has now gone beyond killing bills to helping embolden Donald Trump's worst instincts about climate change.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Stop farting here. All you have is your gassy opinions which are based on hatred.
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
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Thanks for the cows.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:This is exactly what I posted about in the RAIN!!! thread. My layperson's opinion was that since cold (arctic) air has been intruding far south, into SoCal, that must mean that the cold air is being displaced by warm air in the arctic. Et viola!
Temperatures leap 40 degrees above normal as the Arctic Ocean and Greenland ice sheet see record June melting
And it may be messing with our weather.
June 14
Ice is melting in unprecedented ways as summer approaches in the Arctic. In recent days, observations have revealed a record-challenging melt event over the Greenland ice sheet, while the extent of ice over the Arctic Ocean has never been this low in mid-June during the age of weather satellites.
Greenland saw temperatures soar up to 40 degrees above normal Wednesday, while open water exists in places north of Alaska where it seldom, if ever, has in recent times.
It’s “another series of extreme events consistent with the long-term trend of a warming, changing Arctic,” said Zachary Labe, a climate researcher at the University of California at Irvine...
The extreme conditions in the Arctic, which have resulted in these record-challenging melt events, have far-reaching implications. There is a saying often repeated by Arctic researchers: “What happens in the Arctic doesn’t stay in the Arctic.”
The bulging zones of high pressure in the Arctic, which have facilitated the unusual warmth and intensified melting, are displacing the cold air normally contained in that region into the mid-latitudes — like a refrigerator door left open. Much of the central and eastern United States have seen lower-than-normal temperatures in the past week.
Quote:Also discussed in previous posts
The jet stream, the high-altitude current separating cold air and warm air, has taken unusually erratic meanders.
Quote:I think the "new normal" for the Arctic will be established in about seven years, which means that once the Arctic is warmed up we can no longer count on melting ice and Arctic air masses to cool us off and bring rainstorms.
“The jet stream this week was one of the craziest I’ve ever seen!” Jennifer Francis, one of the leading researchers who has published studies connecting Arctic change and mid-latitude weather, wrote in an email.
Francis had earlier suggested that conditions in the Arctic may have played a role in the extreme jet stream pattern that spurred the tornado swarm and record flooding in the central U.S. during the last two weeks of May.
“We can’t say that the rapid Arctic warming is causing this particularly pattern, but it certainly is consistent with that,” Francis, senior scientist at Woods Hole Research Center, said.
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Planet is entering ‘new climate regime’ with ‘extraordinary’ heat waves intensified by global warming, study says
‘It is horrid’: India roasts under heat wave with temperatures above 120 degrees
San Francisco soars to 100 degrees as record heat wave roasts California and the West Coast
https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2019/06/14/arctic-ocean-greenla
nd-ice-sheet-have-seen-record-june-ice-loss/?utm_source=pocket-newtab
Oh, and BTW? STILL not Trump's fault.
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