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Originally posted by second:
Will climate change kill everyone — or just lots and lots of people?
www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/6/13/18660548/climate-change-human-civ
ilization-existential-risk
The debate over whether climate change will end life on Earth, explained.
Many analyses of climate change — including the report Vice based its article on — treat the deaths of a billion people and the extinction of humanity as pretty similar outcomes, but climate change won’t kill us all, yet it’s one of the biggest challenges ahead of us and the results of our failure to act will be devastating.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
I'm also okay with a billion less people on the planet.
It's a good start, but we could do much better than that.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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There goes the "hopium" again.
Emails: Trump official consulting climate change rejecters
https://apnews.com/4ec9affd55a345d582a4cc810686137e
A Trump administration national security official has sought help from advisers to a think tank that disavows climate change to challenge widely accepted scientific findings on global warming, according to his emails.
The request from William Happer, a member of the National Security Council, is included in emails from 2018 and 2019 that were obtained by the Environmental Defense Fund under the federal Freedom of Information Act and provided to The Associated Press. That request was made this past March to policy advisers with the Heartland Institute, one of the most vocal challengers of mainstream scientific findings that emissions from burning coal, oil and gas are damaging the Earth’s atmosphere.
In a March 3 email exchange Happer and Heartland adviser Hal Doiron discuss Happer’s scientific arguments in a paper attempting to knock down climate change as well as ideas to make the work “more useful to a wider readership.” Happer writes he had already discussed the work with another Heartland adviser, Thomas Wysmuller.
Academic experts denounced the administration official’s continued involvement with groups and scientists who reject what numerous federal agencies say is the fact of climate change.
“These people are endangering all of us by promoting anti-science in service of fossil fuel interests over the American interests,” said Pennsylvania State University climate scientist Michael Mann.
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Quote:Some of that billion will be US citizens. You okay with that? A hundred million of the relatives of that billion will illegally enter the US to avoid joining the billion dead. You okay with that?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Will climate change kill everyone — or just lots and lots of people?
www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/6/13/18660548/climate-change-human-civ
ilization-existential-risk
The debate over whether climate change will end life on Earth, explained.
Many analyses of climate change — including the report Vice based its article on — treat the deaths of a billion people and the extinction of humanity as pretty similar outcomes, but climate change won’t kill us all, yet it’s one of the biggest challenges ahead of us and the results of our failure to act will be devastating.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
I'm also okay with a billion less people on the planet.
It's a good start, but we could do much better than that.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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It will be far more than a billion.
It will be 90+% of all species on earth, and we're definitely on the list.
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So I'm going to reiterate ... yes, it's frustrating that Trump is an idiot when it comes to climate shift, but on the other hand you can thank your lucky stars that Trump has preserved the ability of the next President ... whoever she or he is ... to take whatever action she or he feels is necessary above and beyond the Paris Accord (which BTW was a joke) by bowing out of the TTP and TTIP.
Democrats, for all of their blathering*, haven't slowed down greenhouse gas emissions one whit. (Just like Democrats and Republicans share a wealth gap curve that is indistinguishable.) The big driver of CO2 emissions are booms and busts. In reality, Trump isn't much different than his predecessors, Democratic and Republican. Climate shift isn't about what was or wasn't done in four or eight years, but what wasn't done in FORTY or EIGHTY years. So stop dumping on Trump, everyone deserves blame, and start working on creating a third party, or at least demanding more from your beloved political party than empty slogans and vaporware.
There is life after Trump, and we have the authority to do much better after him if we so choose. Demand more.
*Brought to you by SECONDRATE
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Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Some of that billion will be US citizens. You okay with that? A hundred million of the relatives of that billion will illegally enter the US to avoid joining the billion dead. You okay with that?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Will climate change kill everyone — or just lots and lots of people?
www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/6/13/18660548/climate-change-human-civ
ilization-existential-risk
The debate over whether climate change will end life on Earth, explained.
Many analyses of climate change — including the report Vice based its article on — treat the deaths of a billion people and the extinction of humanity as pretty similar outcomes, but climate change won’t kill us all, yet it’s one of the biggest challenges ahead of us and the results of our failure to act will be devastating.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
I'm also okay with a billion less people on the planet.
It's a good start, but we could do much better than that.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
I'm surprised that with RF blathering all over this board that this rather benign phrasing of this question is the worst reply my post got.
I really don't care who it is, more than I have any power over who it is.
My first preference would be pure survival of the fittest.
Short of that, we could just Shirley Jackson Lottery it.
The only way that I wouldn't want it done is by inter-sectionalism quotas.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Trump did not preserve anything. The real road block to climate change legislation has existed continuously since the 96th Congress in 1979.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So I'm going to reiterate ... yes, it's frustrating that Trump is an idiot when it comes to climate shift, but on the other hand you can thank your lucky stars that Trump has preserved the ability of the next President ... whoever she or he is ... to take whatever action she or he feels is necessary above and beyond the Paris Accord (which BTW was a joke) by bowing out of the TTP and TTIP.
An example of the GOP stopping the Democrats dead in their tracks:
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell calls himself the "Grim Reaper," vowing to kill whichever bill that he labels as socialist legislation, including a bill that pushes for election security.
www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/06/14/mitch-mcconnell-grim-reaper-soc
ialist-agenda-serfaty-dnt-lead-vpx.cnn
When the GOP is the Senate majority, one man can stop anything a Democratic President might need on Climate change. But when the GOP is the minority, they can still stop anything.
If a majority of American voters wanted what Democratic Senators want, a change in laws cannot happen when there are at least 41 Republican Senators to filibuster the changes. If Trump and Pence die on Sunday, on Monday President Pelosi will still have Trump’s 51 Republican Senators refusing anything Pelosi needs to fight climate change. The number of Republican Senators will not drop below 41 simply because Trump is dead.
The last time Republican Senators dropped below 41 was the 95th Congress (1977-1979). Because Signym and 1kiki don’t understand how important the number 41 is for Republican control of the federal government, Signym or 1kiki will complain that new President Pelosi does no better than old Trump about climate change. But Pelosi cannot because the Federal government was designed to gridlock whenever a stubborn group of at least 41 Senators want it to gridlock. I guess it is impossible for Signym to understand that a huge failure can be caused by only 41 people voting for failure, all while the 41 deny that failure is their goal, that they are in the Senate to make the government fail.
www.senate.gov/history/partydiv.htm
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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So it's NOT Trump's fault! Glad you finally got in touch with at least one glimmer of reality.
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac
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Quote:Not Trump's fault? He's the guy who is promoting coal burning. He's the guy behind changing mileage rules on cars so that they burn more fuel. He is a Republican who will veto any bill to fight climate change, but as luck would have it, the Senate Republicans won't allow a vote for such a bill in the Senate. All Democratic bills die in the Senate. That is the way it has been since the 96th Congress in 1979.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
So it's NOT Trump's fault! Glad you finally got in touch with at least one glimmer of reality.
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/06032019/trump-climate-regulations-
rollback-cost-health-emissions-clean-power-plan-cars-oil-gas-methane
Once Trump is out, the Republicans will filibuster all climate change bills. The government gridlocks whenever 41 stubborn Republican Senators want gridlock. It is in the rules. That has been the way since the 96th Congress in 1979, when the Republicans first had enough Senators to filibuster anything. They have been using those rules for 40 years, yet 1kiki never understood what the GOP has been doing. Maybe because the GOP Senators keep insisting they are not doing what they are doing? Maybe because 1kiki doesn't know the rules? Who knows with 1kiki? The rules are not a secret, 1kiki:
www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Filibuster_Clotur
e.htm
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:So, through part of Jimmy Carter's Presidency, and two terms of Bill Clinton, and two terms of Obama.
The real road block to climate change legislation has existed continuously since the 96th Congress in 1979.
Just like I said: DECADES of inaction by both parties, one party's results indistinguishable from the other's in restrospect.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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