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Originally posted by second:
Economic policy divides the GOP and unites Democrats
www.vox.com/2019/6/11/18659986/voter-study-group-democrats-economics
The study, released Tuesday, gauged support for different progressive economic policy ideas and then compared the views of low-income voters (with less than $40,000 per year in household income) to more comfortable ones (with more than $80,000 per year in household income). For Democrats, the more affluent voters were generally more left-wing, but the difference is small.
For Republicans, by contrast, there’s a huge fall-off in support for progressive economic policy ideas as you go up the income ladder.
Alignment with cultural conservatism (but not economic conservatism) is near universal among Republicans, and it keeps the party together even as its members have a lot of disagreements about specific economic policy issues.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
If the underlined is true, that may be enough going forward for them.
Democrats can't agree on anything under the sun, and now that they've boldly claimed that their the party of intersectionality and identitarianism they never will.
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Pete Buttigieg is the first Democratic presidential candidate to actually articulate foreign policy proposals beyond general themes and ideas. Specifically, he said he would:
1) “Repeal and replace” the 2001 congressional authorization that the US military still uses to this day to fight terrorism and engage in foreign wars around the world
2) Recommit the US to the Iran nuclear deal
3) Withhold some US taxpayer money from Israel if it annexes parts of the West Bank
4) Rejoin the Paris climate accord
5) Increase investment in renewable technologies to reverse environmental degradation. Buttigieg’s most specific proposal was to quadruple federal government funding for research and development on renewable energy technology, to at least $25 billion. That’s likely to anger the fossil-fuel industry but delight those that work in solar, wind, and other growing energy sectors.
More details about all 5 at www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/11/18661329/pete-buttigieg-fore
ign-policy-speech-indiana-university
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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The thinking typically goes that boomers have put undue pressure on the Social Security system because of the size of their generation.
About 10,000 people turn 65 every day. Many of those individuals are claiming Social Security retirement benefits, which has created the perception that they are draining the system.
However, the Center for Retirement Research found the boomer cohort born between 1946 and 1964 will actually have paid more into the system than they will receive in benefits.
There is a group of retirees, however, who did receive more money than they contributed: people born before 1946 who predominately vote Republican. That’s because they generally worked for fewer years before collecting benefits.
More about how elderly Republicans didn't pay their fair share and got a free ride on Social Security at www.cnbc.com/2019/06/10/its-not-baby-boomers-who-have-taken-the-most-f
rom-social-security.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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You must be really gassy lately.
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
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Noam Chomsky, June 04, 2019:
Both parties shifted to the right during the neoliberal years: the mainstream Democrats became something like the former moderate Republicans, and the Republicans drifted virtually off the spectrum. There’s merit, I think, in the observation by Thomas Mann and Norman Ornstein that increasingly since the Newt Gingrich years — and strikingly in Mitch McConnell’s Senate — the Republican Party has become a “radical insurgency” that is largely abandoning normal parliamentary politics. That shift — which predates Donald Trump — has created a substantial gap between the two parties. In the media it’s often called “polarization,” but that’s hardly an accurate description.
Both in the United States and Europe, neoliberal/austerity programs have sharply concentrated wealth while also stagnating wages for the majority, undermining benefits, eroding functioning democracy, and encouraging what former Fed Chair Alan Greenspan hailed as “growing worker insecurity.” These socioeconomic policies, quite naturally, have engendered anger, resentment, and bitterness — which are often exploited by demagogues. As centrist political institutions have declined, sometimes virtually disappearing, both political parties have been affected. The Republican establishment used to be able to crush extremist candidates who rose from the voting base in primaries, but not in 2016.
What [Bernie] Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez mean by “socialism” seems to be something similar to New Deal social democracy. Sanders’s platform, for example, wouldn’t have greatly surprised Dwight Eisenhower, who argued strongly that anyone who challenged New Deal programs didn’t belong in the U.S. political system — an indication of how far to the right politics has drifted [since Eisenhower.]
More at https://bostonreview.net/politics/noam-chomsky-scott-casleton-choosing
-hope
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Noam Chomsky, June 04, 2019:
Both parties shifted to the right during the neoliberal years: the mainstream Democrats became something like the former moderate Republicans, and the Republicans drifted virtually off the spectrum. There’s merit, I think, in the observation by Thomas Mann and Norman Ornstein that increasingly since the Newt Gingrich years — and strikingly in Mitch McConnell’s Senate — the Republican Party has become a “radical insurgency” that is largely abandoning normal parliamentary politics. That shift — which predates Donald Trump — has created a substantial gap between the two parties. In the media it’s often called “polarization,” but that’s hardly an accurate description.
Both in the United States and Europe, neoliberal/austerity programs have sharply concentrated wealth while also stagnating wages for the majority, undermining benefits, eroding functioning democracy, and encouraging what former Fed Chair Alan Greenspan hailed as “growing worker insecurity.” These socioeconomic policies, quite naturally, have engendered anger, resentment, and bitterness — which are often exploited by demagogues. As centrist political institutions have declined, sometimes virtually disappearing, both political parties have been affected. The Republican establishment used to be able to crush extremist candidates who rose from the voting base in primaries, but not in 2016.
What [Bernie] Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez mean by “socialism” seems to be something similar to New Deal social democracy. Sanders’s platform, for example, wouldn’t have greatly surprised Dwight Eisenhower, who argued strongly that anyone who challenged New Deal programs didn’t belong in the U.S. political system — an indication of how far to the right politics has drifted [since Eisenhower.]
More at https://bostonreview.net/politics/noam-chomsky-scott-casleton-choosing
-hope
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Well...
It seems as though somebody is finally agreeing with me that the Democrats of 2019 are a goddamned carbon copy of the GWB administration... finally. Pro censorship, pro surveillance and anti-Constitution as well.
Glad to have you on board, Second.
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Quote:I am not onboard with you, 6ix. Today's Democratic politicians are carbon copies of Eisenhower Republicans from the 1950's. They are nothing like GWB. And Bernie Sanders or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are old-fashion FDR New Dealers, not radical at all, despite silly fools and Republican voters shitting themselves over the existence of New Dealers.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Well...
It seems as though somebody is finally agreeing with me that the Democrats of 2019 are a goddamned carbon copy of the GWB administration... finally. Pro censorship, pro surveillance and anti-Constitution as well.
Glad to have you on board, Second.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
https://bostonreview.net/politics/noam-chomsky-scott-casleton-choosing
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6ix, I have a much longer memory than you do, very clear and detailed, but how actual Republican voters I know have evolved, no, make that devolved, over my lifetime. And today's Republican politicians? Republican President Eisenhower would have recognized Trump as a Mussolini -- a loudmouth, a liar, and an incompetent -- while today's Republican voters think Trump is somebody special deserving of reelection because Democratic candidates will never be good enough for today's Republicans.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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You don't have a better memory.
You're just an old hippie piece of trash is all.
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Trump tweets Vote for me — or you’ll never see your precious bull market alive again.
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
The Trump Economy is setting records, and has a long way up to go....However, if anyone but me takes over in 2020 (I know the competition very well), there will be a Market Crash the likes of which has not been seen before! KEEP AMERICA GREAT
6:44 AM - 15 Jun 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1139891393252474880
Trump brags about U.S. prosperity. But conditions improved more under his predecessors. (Even Pres. Jimmy Carter.)
The Trump years have been no better than average and mostly below average in 12 of the 14 measures. The bond market suffered its worst performance the past two years than in any other presidency since Carter. Anemic productivity and a widening deficit as a percentage of GDP are the worst since George W. Bush was president. The dollar’s 3.2 percent annualized decline and GDP growth of 2.24 percent give Trump no better than a No. 5 ranking.
The 14 measures where Trump does not measure up to the last 7 Presidents (but he does beat Bush):
Trump’s Rank out of 7 Presidents
4 S&P 500 Index
4 Gap between U.S. and global stocks
4 Nonfarm payrolls
3 Disposable income per capita
4 Debt-to-income ratio
5 Gross domestic product
6 Deficit as share of GDP
4 Home equity
7 Bond performance
5 Dollar value
1 Manufacturing jobs
4 Auto sales
4 Hourly wages
6 Productivity
6 Trump’s OVERALL RANK (But at least it is better than G.W. Bush, who crashed the economy in 2008. Trump is threatening to do the same if you don’t vote for him. www.thebalance.com/2008-financial-crisis-3305679 )
Much more at www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-01-28/trump-economy-lags-clint
on-s-obama-s-reagan-s-and-even-carter-s
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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The one thing I won't argue you on is that the working guy is still getting screwed just as bad as he has for decades.
The DOW means nothing to most of us.
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