Mueller Investigation Is Over / Part two are the trials. Hey Jack, I Was Right. 20 Plus Russians Charged, 19 Of Trumps People Convicted of Felonies.
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I think I'm going to MOSTLY sit this thread out. I see the usual suspects are circling the wagons against reality. And what's the point of arguing about somebody's delusions? There are more productive things to do that have to do with actuality.
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Quote:Why did you post, then, if your time is so precious?
Originally posted by rue:
I think I'm going to mostly sit this thread out. I see the usual suspects are circling the wagons against reality. And what's the point of arguing about somebody's delusions? There are more productive things to do that have to do with actuality.
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
The New York Times had no legitimate sources, which would be totally illegal, concerning the Mueller Report. In fact, they probably had no sources at all! They are a Fake News paper who have already been forced to apologize for their incorrect and very bad reporting on me!
8:04 AM - 4 Apr 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1113819627212169219
Who needs a president who committed a lot of gray area crimes but just isn’t indicted?
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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House Democrats explain why it’s taken 3 months to authorize subpoenas into Trump
House Democrats say they gave the White House many chances to comply with their requests voluntarily. But the Trump administration has clearly been reluctant to turn over anything — whether officials for testimony, or key documents — something Democrats are calling a clear attempt to stonewall major investigations into the president, his administration, his businesses, and his family.
House Democrats continue waiting on key documents from the Trump administration on what went wrong in Puerto Rico in the aftermath of Hurricane Maria; they’re waiting on testimonies from White officials about security clearances; they’re waiting on more information about Trump’s national emergency declaration on the southern border. The list goes on.
Tired of Trump's stalling, House Democrats finally authorized subpoenas this week to get the full Mueller report. They got serious about requesting Trump’s tax returns. They issued four subpoenas related to the White House security clearance process and the administration’s effort to put a citizenship question on the census.
Rep. Ro Khanna (D-CA), who sits on the House Oversight committee, said that it’s important that House Democrats work is perceived as Congress’ constitutional duty, and not just an attempt to “score partisan points on the president.”
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/4/18293880/house-democrats-subp
oenas-trump-slow
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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SECONDRATE: Stick it up your ass. That's where all your posts come from anyway.
There were three things I was hoping Trump would accomplish, because I believe they're extremely important and rbecause they're in any President's purview of foreign policy:
1) Kill TPP and TTIP. DONE. Those would have given up our sovereignty to trade tribunals. Also, it would be nice to extricate ourselves from NAFTA, CAFTA, and other "free trade" agreements.
2) Reverse illegal immigration. IN PROCESS.
3) End our endless wars. FAILURE.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=61953&p=3
*I'm going to judge Trump's performance on the three things, and ONLY the three things, that I voted for:
1) Ending our pointless wars and making nice with Russia and everybody else. That means reining in the CIA and the State Dept and their endless "interventionism" abroad. And good luck with THAT, Donald!
2) Backing out of the "free trade" agreements that we seem to have negotiated in favor of the transnationals. The only trade agreement that I might be willing to let stand is the WTO ... and maybe not even that.
3) Getting rid of illegal immigration.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60986
There are more, even dating back to before the election. I leave it to you to find the reast.
I've been EXTREMELY CLEAR and very concise about my expectations. I've explained them to you, ad nauseum. Why should I explain them again? You're either really really stupid (incapable of learning) or your're so consumed by the voices in your head that there's no place for reality.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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Quote:Very good, Signym. Your three points are too long for a tweet, so Trump won't be reading them. None of your points require the President to go along. All of your points require the Congress to agree with Signym. If you don't like Wars, get the Congress to return to the good old days of 1941 when FDR could not go to war until Congress declared War. Congress has been ignoring that for the last 78 years. And while Congress is at it, they could place a leash around the CIA's neck, rather than let those pit bulls bite whoever the CIA and White House pleases.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I've been EXTREMELY CLEAR and very concise about my expectations. I've explained them to you, ad nauseum. Why should I explain them again? You're either really really stupid (incapable of learning) or your're so consumed by the voices in your head that there's no place for reality.
And the most obvious, if Congress doesn't want trade deals, the President can't force a deal. Voting for Trump was not necessary to your side, Signym, but Congress is. What you need, Signym, is to get 26 of 50 States on your side. Getting the President to agree with you will get you almost nothing as Trump has demonstrated over and over. The President is not all powerful, except in tasks that can be completed in a week, such as nuking the entire world or shutting down all flights of the Boeing 737 Max.
It is Congress that is all powerful (including the power to remove Presidents and Judges), not the President, but it is very difficult to get 26 States to decide anything, which often leaves what little gets decided to the President.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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SLOPPYSECONDS. I've also explained how these specific items are within the purview of a President, not Congress. You really REALLY should get that psychological problem fixed. You spend way too much time with the voices in your head.
And lying. Let's not forget all the lying that you do.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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WSJ op-ed (font and format approximates original)
Trolling the Mueller Report
Democrats lost on collusion. Now they’re inventing a coverup.
Democrats are still reeling from Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s conclusion that the Trump campaign did not collude with Russians in 2016. But they’ve now hit upon a political comeback strategy: Accuse Attorney General William Barr of a coverup.
That’s the context for Wednesday’s decision by House Democrats to authorize subpoenas, on a partisan vote, demanding that Mr. Barr immediately hand over the entire Mueller report and its supporting evidence. This is intended to give the impression, abetted by a press corps that was fully invested in the collusion story, that Mr. Barr is somehow lying about Mr. Mueller’s real conclusions.
That’s preposterous, since Mr. Barr’s four-page letter quotes directly from Mr. Mueller’s report. The AG surely understood on releasing the summary of conclusions last week that he would be open to contradiction by Mr. Mueller if he took such liberties. Mr. Barr also knew he’d be called to testify before Congress once the rest of the report is released.
Mr. Barr has committed to releasing as much of the report as possible subject to Justice Department rules. He’s working with the special counsel’s office to make redactions required by grand-jury rules of secrecy, intelligence sources and methods, ongoing investigations, and “the personal privacy and reputational interests of peripheral third parties.”
Under Justice rules relating to special counsels, Mr. Barr has no obligation to provide anything beyond notifying Congress when an investigation has started or concluded, and whether the AG overruled a special counsel’s decisions. Mr. Barr’s notice to Congress that Mr. Mueller had completed his investigation said Mr. Mueller was not overruled.
Congress has no automatic right to more. The final subparagraph of DOJ’s rule governing special counsels reads: “The regulations in this part are not intended to, do not, and may not be relied upon to create any rights, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or equity, by any person or entity, in any matter, civil, criminal or administrative.”
Mr. Barr has made clear that he appreciates the public interest in seeing as much of Mr. Mueller’s report as possible. Yet his categories of information for review aren’t frivolous or political inventions. The law protecting grand-jury secrecy is especially strict, as even Democrats admit.
House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff recently tweeted that “Barr should seek court approval (just like in Watergate) to allow the release of grand jury material. Redactions are unacceptable.” This is an acknowledgment that the government must apply to a judge for permission to disclose grand-jury proceedings.
A judge can grant release in certain circumstances—namely to government attorneys who need the information for their duties. None of the secrecy exceptions permit disclosure to Congress or the public. The purpose of this secrecy is to protect the innocent and encourage candor in grand-jury testimony.
It’s true that in 1974 the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed a federal judge’s decision to release a grand jury report to the House Judiciary Committee that was investigating Watergate. Such a sealed report—which juries can choose to produce—is different from raw grand-jury testimony, which is what Democrats are demanding now. The Supreme Court has never ruled on such a disclosure, so Democrats could be facing a long legal battle if Mr. Barr resists their subpoenas.
Mr. Barr should release as much of the report as possible, and on close calls he should side with public disclosure. But no one should think that Democrats are really worried about a coverup. They want to see an unredacted version before the public does so they can leak selected bits that allow them to use friendly media outlets to claim there really was collusion, or to tarnish Trump officials.
The nation is entitled to
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Mueller’s Team Gathered ‘Alarming’ Trump Obstruction Evidence: Washington Post
https://www.thedailybeast.com/muellers-team-gathered-alarming-trump-ob
struction-evidence-washington-post
The Washington Post has backed up the New York Times report from late Wednesday that some members of Robert Mueller’s team have said the special counsel report is much worse for the president than was suggested by Attorney General William Barr. In its report, the Post goes a step further, claiming some members of Mueller’s team have complained to close associates that they gathered “alarming and significant” evidence of obstruction by President Trump. “It was much more acute than Barr suggested,” one source is reported to have said.
In his summary, Barr said that the special counsel did not establish evidence for a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia, and said that Mueller didn’t conclude “one way or the other” as to whether Trump’s conduct in office constituted obstruction of justice. Barr also said that he concluded the evidence was not sufficient to prove obstruction. “There was immediate displeasure from the team when they saw how the attorney general had characterized their work,” said one official. Summaries were reportedly prepared for different sections of the report, which Mueller’s team thought could be released immediately without redaction.
Also,
Suddenly, Republicans Don’t Care About How Mueller Spent His Money
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-report-suddenly-republicans-dont
-care-about-how-mueller-spent-his-money
It's looking like Mueller didn't say Trump and his campaign colluded with the Russians, because the evidence showed these guys were so stupid the Russians manipulated them, like a puppeteer miniplates a puppet. Sad, very sad.
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William Barr Was Just Exposed on His Bullshit Summary of the Mueller Report
In a true shocker, The Barr Letter did not accurately represent the full findings of The Mueller Report.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a27041135/robert-mueller-team-qu
estion-william-barr-letter-donald-trump-russia/
It was amazing to watch the reaction to The Barr Letter. Here was an attorney general who got the job after he wrote a 19-page memo cross-examining the Mueller probe, particularly on the question of obstruction of justice, releasing a four-page summary of a two-year investigation that dismissed obstruction along the same lines he had before he'd seen any of the non-public evidence. Barr was also involved in sweeping a previous Republican presidential scandal under the rug, as he was George H.W. Bush's attorney general when that president opted to pardon everybody involved in Iran-Contra before they could start testifying about how deep that scandal went into the Reagan and Bush administrations.
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Report: Mueller investigators wrote summaries they assumed would be made public
https://theweek.com/speedreads/833201/report-mueller-investigators-wro
te-summaries-assumed-made-public
When Special Counsel Robert Mueller submitted his report on Russian interference in the 2016 election and the possibility of President Trump obstructing justice, it was prepared so every section had its own summary, with the belief each would be made available to the public, a U.S. official familiar with the matter told The Washington Post.
With that in mind, some members of the Mueller team have told associates they are frustrated with Attorney General William Barr sending a four-page letter to Congress that summarized the report in his own words. "There was immediate displeasure from the team when they saw how the attorney general had characterized their work instead," the official told the Post, adding that Mueller's office prepared their summaries in "a way that minimum redactions, if any, would have been necessary, and the work would have spoken for itself."
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