angel and darla's baby
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okay, i am confused. angel and darla are connor's parents. that much makes sense. what does not make a whole lot of sense is HOW they were able to have connor. does this get explained later? wesley says (and pretty much everyone agrees) that vampires cannot have children. granted, angel has a soul which makes him unique amongst vampires, so that may have something to do with it. still, i am quite perplexed. wes speculated that the baby might be the vampire with a soul mentioned in the shanshu prophecy, but when connor is born he is not a vampire even though he has demon qualities (like being able to jump off buildings and he seems to heal quite quickly). this makes me think that connor is NOT the vampire with a soul from the prophecy. can anyone help to clear this up? wild speculation is welcome! 
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Towards the end of S4 it is explained that Connor's life was Angel's reward for completing the Trial - the S2 ep in which he wins Darla's life back but is then denied it because Darla had already been brought back by mystical means. One of the few things about S4 that made any sense...
And on the topic of Connor/superpowers - does anyone else think he should have just been a normal kid?
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Quote:Given season 5...
Originally posted by Grounded:
And on the topic of Connor/superpowers - does anyone else think he should have just been a normal kid?
Nope.
(Yes, I'm avoiding spoilers. If you've seen S5, hopefully you'll know what I'm referring to...)
Rabit
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Yeah, Angel and Darla were never supposed to have Connor. It's constantly mentioned that 2 vamps having a child is impossible, throughout the Buffy/Angelverses Impossible, they said, over and over again, but it happened, and here we are, with no explanation.
Since Connor's birth also coincided with the eventual creation/birth of Jasmine, his whole existence might possibly be traced back to when Cordy got the visions, allowing her to become infected (if you will) with the demon Jasmine and the eventual sex with Connor that gave birth to Jasmine.
Even assuming that -- the fact that Cordy got the visions from another source than the Powers That Be, and the visions are perhaps not as helpful as she thought -- it is never completely explained *how* Darla became pregnant. The mystical aspect of it was discussed (and researched) by Wesley, but no conclusions were ever reached because of the prophecy Wes discovered, "The Father Will Kill the Son."
The prophecy we find out later was manipulated by Sahjahn so that he wouldn't be killed by Connor.
There's Sahjahn's involvement, and then there's the demon Skip, who essentially told us:
Cordy is manipulated to get visions; ascends to higher plane; gets overtaken by evil force; returns with amnesia; we discover she's actually just a shell as Jasmine is now inside her; she sleeps with Connor and gets pregnant; Jasmine is born; world peace.
Connor plays a huge role in that as well, but it was never mentioned if Skip and Jasmine had any hand in Connor's creation in order to bring about the eventual "birth" of Jasmine. It would have been interesting, in my opinion, if Jasmine had somehow used Darla to make sure Darla became pregnant with Connor.
Whew, confusing!
I wish they would have revisited the question of Connor's birth; all was forgotten after Wes took Connor!
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Originally posted by RhymePhile:
all was forgotten after Wes took Connor!
not by angel!
hahahahaha.
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Originally posted by Grounded:
Towards the end of S4 it is explained that Connor's life was Angel's reward for completing the Trial - the S2 ep in which he wins Darla's life back but is then denied it because Darla had already been brought back by mystical means. One of the few things about S4 that made any sense...
Yeah, I don't think they stressed this explanation enough, but I think this was the canon excuse....
It was clear in S5, even w/memory loss, it didn't change or alter the fact that Connor had super powers
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Originally posted by Grounded:
Towards the end of S4 it is explained that Connor's life was Angel's reward for completing the Trial - the S2 ep in which he wins Darla's life back but is then denied it because Darla had already been brought back by mystical means. One of the few things about S4 that made any sense...
And on the topic of Connor/superpowers - does anyone else think he should have just been a normal kid?
Which ep exactly was it mentioned? Because if they mentioned it in some offhanded way, obviously some of us who have been paying attention seemed to have missed it! And since I can't remember, maybe they didn't make a big deal over something that dominated most of the latter half of Season 3?! Argh!
As for Connor/superpowers, I never quite understood that ep in Season 4 when Lorne and the crew cast the demon protection spell to prevent violence after Angelus gets out. Then Angelus comes back to the hotel, Connor takes a swing at him, and the spell goes off. Connor is freaked, wondering what exactly he is, since the spell only reacts with demons. Did they ever revisit that? Does that have something to do with his "miracle" birth? He was human when he was born, but grew up to be not-quite-human. His time in Q'uortoth couldn't have done it to him. That was never explained, nor were his superpowers. Aieeeeee, I'm getting frustrated!!
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Connor could be a male Slayer. . .
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I assume Connor is basically a human with vampire strengths and no vampire weaknesses. Him setting off Lorne's spell thing could just be that he's not exactly human so he's therefore classified as demon. The birth was explained by the whole trial thing Angel went through. Sort of a crummy reward though. Here's your reward, a kid who doesn't like you and will act maliciously toward you (don't want to be too specific and spoilery here). Enjoy!
bah
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Originally posted by Rabit:Quote:Given season 5...
Originally posted by Grounded:
And on the topic of Connor/superpowers - does anyone else think he should have just been a normal kid?
Nope.
(Yes, I'm avoiding spoilers. If you've seen S5, hopefully you'll know what I'm referring to...)
Rabit
I've seen every episode so you're not going to spoil me - but I fail to see what you mean. I was trying to say that I think it was a bad decision to make Connor some kind of super-kid. It certainly wasn't necessary for the plot.
Rhymephile - I believe the episode was Inside Out, but I'm no authority on S4 seeing as I've only watched it once...
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