Russia should never interfere in any other nation's internal politics, meanwhile the USA and IMF is helping kill Venezuela

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RUE

Thursday, March 21, 2019 4:23 AM

But you seem to think the US is entirely justified in interfering in other nations' internal politics.

Prove me wrong. Tell me how much you disagree with any US efforts past, present, or future to remove heads of state around the globe.

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 21, 2019 4:50 AM

Ok GSTRING, let me re-state what you said and re-frame my question:

You seem to think the USA deep state wasn't trying very hard to topple Castro because they were unsuccessful.

You seem to forget that at one time, the Soviet Union even had missiles placed in Cuba to threaten the USA east coast ("Cuban Missile Crisis") and that the Soviet Union provided military assistance from 1966 to about 1989 to create the largest and best-equipped military in Latin America which was able to "project power abroad" (according to Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Revolutionary_Armed_Forces ). Even Russia had a military station in Cuba until 2002.

But aside from how much effort the USA put into toppling Castro and how much effort the Soviet Union put into maintaining it, you DON'T SEEM TO QUESTION THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE USA CAN AND SHOULD TOPPLE GOVERNMENTS ANYWHERE.

so, since USA "regime change" policies seems to be a given as far as you're concerned, I ask my question again: What are you, some kind of neocon?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Thursday, March 21, 2019 4:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Ok GSTRING, let me re-state what you said and re-frame my question:

You seem to think the USA deep state wasn't trying very hard to topple Castro because they were unsuccessful.

You seem to forget that at one time, the Soviet Union even had missiles placed in Cuba to threaten the USA east coast ("Cuban Missile Crisis") and that the Soviet Union provided military assistance from 1966 to about 1989 to create the largest and best-equipped military in Latin America which was able to "project power abroad" (according to Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Revolutionary_Armed_Forces ). Even Russia had a military station in Cuba until 2002.

But aside from how much effort the USA put into toppling Castro and how much effort the Soviet Union put into maintaining it, you DON'T SEEM TO QUESTION THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE USA CAN AND SHOULD TOPPLE GOVERNMENTS ANYWHERE.

so, since USA "regime change" policies seems to be a given as far as you're concerned, I ask my question again: What are you, some kind of neocon?

SIGHOLE: "you DON'T SEEM TO QUESTION THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE USA CAN AND SHOULD TOPPLE GOVERNMENTS ANYWHERE."

F*cksake, don't hurt yourself reaching so far. I've always said I hate war - it's an easy concept even your muddled, aging brain should be able to hang onto.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/cuban-migration-postrevolution
-exodus-ebbs-and-flows

"Normalization of Relations and Impacts on Migration

On December 17, 2014, President Barack Obama announced major shifts in U.S. policy toward Cuba, including taking steps toward re-establishing diplomatic relations, reviewing Cuba’s designation as a state sponsor of terrorism, and facilitating certain types of trade and travel by U.S. citizens to the island. The Obama administration subsequently removed Cuba from the State Department’s terrorism list, and the United States and Cuba formally restored diplomatic relations and reopened embassies in their respective capitals in July 2015. The following year, President Obama became the first sitting U.S. president to visit Cuba in 88 years. This diplomatic milestone was heralded by many as portending a new era in U.S.-Cuba relations."

What's your boy Trump done? Shoot on site?

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 21, 2019 8:14 PM

GSTRING: You've "always" said you hate war?

Where?

Where have you "always" said you hate war?

Didn't read about it in THIS thread about Venezuela and Cuba.

Didn't read much about it in any thread about Hillary, or any discussion of Iraq, or any thread about Syria or Libya or Ukraine.

That you "hate" Trump is pretty clear, that you "hate" me is pretty clear. That you excuse USA "interventions" is also clear.

I'm sure you could come up some random quotes from here and there, but for someone who "always" says that they "hate" war, it seems pretty far down on your list of mentions, even when discussing war.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SIGNYM

Monday, March 25, 2019 6:32 PM

Immediately after Russia announced its "red line" in Venezuela (foreign troops in Venezuela attempting to overturn the government) it was reported that Russian troops and aid landed there.

Supposedly, Abrams went to Russia to "negotiate" over Venezuela ... I can't imagine what he tried to get the Russians to buy into. What could he possibly offer the Russians to make it worth their while? But whatever he offered them wasn't enough, the Russians just said Nyet! and took the harder path. I'm surprised because Venezuela is so far away I would have assumed that Russia would really not want "boots on the ground" there since it's a major (and expensive and risky) commitment. But the Russians apparently feel its worthwhile ...

But this goes along with a description I heard about the CIA operating in foreign lands ... supposedly Trump will let them do what they want to do, but our military refuses to get involved. I imagine that without air support the CIA won't get too far ... as least, not against a nation with a credible military. At that point, a target nation "only" has to worry about economic warfare, political warfare, proxy troops and contractors conducting guerrilla warfare, cyber-war, and CIA/JSOC-controlled drones.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

REAVERFAN

Monday, March 25, 2019 6:49 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Hey six

This is so spot-on "Is there any point(s) in particular that you'd care to argue Signy on here, Marcos, or are we just throwing out insults again in lieu of having any legitimate argument?" can I use it - lightly altered - in my profile?

I know that my easy destruction of your lousy points infuriates you, but why are you calling me out here?

The US has been meddling in Venezuela for decades. Bush managed to oust Chavez, briefly, but that coup ultimately failed.

The Fox News-like fascist media really gets exposed here. Things get very interesting around 32:00 and 43:00.

What's happening now isn't all that different.

THG

Sunday, March 31, 2019 10:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Russia should never interfere in any other nation's internal politics

More later.

Russia defends sending troops to Venezuela to back up Nicolas Maduro.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-venezuela-troops-back-up-nicolas-m
aduro-mike-pompeo-warning/

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SIGNYM

Monday, April 1, 2019 3:35 AM

Apparently Pompous (or was it Bolt-on?) blustered at Lavrov about how DARE the Russians put troops in Venezuela! and Lavrov replied "when are you going to remove your troops from Syria?"

Touche.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

THG

Monday, April 1, 2019 3:38 AM

Says comrade sig...

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THG

Friday, April 5, 2019 5:29 AM

Russia should never interfere in any other nation's internal politics...

Kids' camp on a defense base? How Russian firms masked secret military work

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Behind the perimeter of a defense ministry base in southern Russia stand three barrack buildings where two witnesses say they have seen private fighters being billeted before they are dispatched to fight in Syria for President Bashar al-Assad.
Yet on paper, the barracks have nothing to do with the Russian defense ministry: court documents list them as a children's vacation camp.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/exclusive-kids-camp-on-a-defense-
base-how-russian-firms-masked-secret-military-work/ar-BBVCr1e?ocid=spartandhp

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